U.S Intelligence a real oxymorn w/ this Nigerian

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I was only messing with you. Why does Cheney get under the lefties skin so bad?

He is part of the trifecta that I really believe would be better off dead or in prison..Rumsfeld, Cheney and Ashcroft. Bush was a moron, Limbaugh is brilliant, but these three were pure evil.

[Danzig]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...rss=rss_nation

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...rss=rss_nation

Considering it's the Washingon POST, I give them credit for not blaming Obama, but Bush..which I'm not sure even I agree with

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Riot
Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in five years.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What misguided source gave you this info? LOL it is preposterous!

The public news. Who ordered these attacks? Obama. Seems the war on terrorism, both domestic and foreign, has heated up quite a bit with this President. Oh, yeah, and he also shoots to kill Somali pirates.

Of course, this stuff was all over the news at the time (I just found them again via simple google search), but were generally overlooked in favor of publicity and coverage of the late summer Republican outrage and town hall meetings about death panels and opposition to healthcare reforms.

August 7, 2009: Pakistan - Pakistan's Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud was killed by a CIA missile strike, a severe blow to extremists threatening the stability of this nuclear-armed nation and a possible boost to U.S.-Pakistani cooperation in fighting insurgents who wreak havoc along the Afghan border. Pakistani officials vowed to dismantle the rest of the network run by Baitullah Mehsud regardless of who takes over, a move seen as essential to crippling the violent Islamists behind dozens of suicide attacks and beheadings in the country.

September 15, 2009: Kenya - US helicopter gunships attack a convoy of vehicles carrying Al Qaeda militants and killed Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan, an important Al Qaeda leader wanted for the bombings of two U.S. embassies in East Africa in 1998 and an Israeli-owned Kenyan hotel in 2002. The raid shows U.S. President Barack Obama's administration does not intend to allow Somalia to remain a safe haven for Al Qaeda and it is determined to thwart the drive by Islamic militant group Al Shabaab to control Somalia. Al Shabaab has direct links to Al Qaeda and uses foreign troops in its battles to control Somalia.

September 20, 2009: Airport shuttle driver Najibullah Zazi is at the center of a growing FBI investigation into what officials describe as an al-Qaeda cell nearly ready to launch a domestic terror attack. T he Colorado resident was arrested Sept. 20 on charges of misleading investigators after allegedly denying he recognized his handwriting on bombmaking materials. His father, Mohammed Wali Zazi, 53, and a New York City man, Ahmad Wais Afzali, were also arrested on similar allegations.


September 25, 2009: An American admirer of the Taliban and a Jordanian national were under arrest Friday in separate attempts to blow up an Illinois courthouse and a Texas kyscraper, authorities said. Hosam Maher Husein Smadi and Michael Finton (also known asTalib Islam) were arrested and stopped before their terrorist plans could be carried out.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Considering it's the Washingon POST, I give them credit for not blaming Obama, but Bush..which I'm not sure even I agree with

i didn't get anything out of the article that held either of them to blame. seems more a case of too many folks in the mix, but not many of them sharing info or connecting the dots.
i expect napolitano to get the lions share of the blame here, rightly or not. i remember when haig was shown the door for saying he was 'in charge here at the white house' right after reagan was shot. napolitano is taking a lot of heat for saying the system worked-which it obviously did not.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i didn't get anything out of the article that held either of them to blame. seems more a case of too many folks in the mix, but not many of them sharing info or connecting the dots.
i expect napolitano to get the lions share of the blame here, rightly or not. i remember when haig was shown the door for saying he was 'in charge here at the white house' right after reagan was shot. napolitano is taking a lot of heat for saying the system worked-which it obviously did not.

I understand your comparison, but don't think it's quite equal. I agree she made a stupid comment, but Haig wanted to become Prez and Janet just was trying to do damage control, albeit very badly

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I understand your comparison, but don't think it's quite equal. I agree she made a stupid comment, but Haig wanted to become Prez and Janet just was trying to do damage control, albeit very badly

not suggesting it's equal, but i have seen where more people are calling for her to step down-that she's in over her head. and as in haigs case, i don't think things will quiet down til she goes.

[Smooth Operator]

Cheney should just shut his face at this point



Or maybe he just enjoys continually making an ass out of himself in public...

[ArlJim78]

Cheney speaks the truth, sometimes it hurts but it needed to be said. The Obama administrations whole approach is to treat all of these incidents as isolated loners, not connected to any wider conspiracy. they seem to not have a coherent strategy other than to downplay every event and then blame Bush.
this is what happens when you elect an inexperienced self-absorbed president in training wheels who appoints similar incompetent people to key positions.

they have now got a major problem on their hands that they've divulged all the info about the CIA deaths to the public. believe it or not the CIA likes to operate in a clandestine manner. another big win for al qaeda and a bigger recruiting tool than gitmo ever was.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

....r u serious.....my god, you r clueless.

Can you support a claim like this with some form of an argument. I don't think it's too much to ask.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How rightwing of you to question another country's security! We are only one small part of the world order now Bob and for us to suggest that foreign security isnt good enough for us Americans or that we insult their soverignity by checking our inbound flights on their soil is appaling! Dont let Obama find out about this stance or he will have to go to the UN and apologize for you next!

Until some other group consistently misbehaves against us, it would be terrific if only Moslems would be inconvenienced by invasive searches etc. Unfortunately, Islam is a Dog-Sht Religion. It is not a specific race of people.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

not suggesting it's equal, but i have seen where more people are calling for her to step down-that she's in over her head. and as in haigs case, i don't think things will quiet down til she goes.

WTF is getting rid of her gunna do? As we've seen repeatedly on here, Americans are simply not willing to get tough on Islam. They refuse to take the basics of that religion seriously. Fact is this waste killing our people is simply following their religion (as their con-man prophet set it up.) They shouldn't be allowed at all to come here. Until we declare that Moslems are unwelcome here, we will continue to be their btch. Oh, you think that's extreme? Tell me, don't you think freedom of the press is a highly cherished American value? Well, very few Moslems respect that value.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100102/...ark_cartoonist

It wasn't a few extreme Moslems that wanted to kill this guy. It was the majority. I don't want a cartoonist to fear for his life because of these people refusing to respect the freedom of the press. You want to have cartoonists hiding in fear like this? I don't. I don't want Moslems here. They have dog sht values. Look at the basics their prophet set up. Nobody that follows that bullsht is a friend of America. There is no way that someone can follow that prophet's teachings, and also respect American values. They will only pretend to do it. We deserve better. Americans, right now, are like battered women. They keep taking this filth back. Well, this filth will never change their ways. They will never be your friend. They will pretend to do so until the time comes for them to be themselves. Make fun of me, if it makes you feel better, but then read the basics of what their prophet set down for them to follow. You'll see it's incompatible with our way of life. We don't need to change our ways. They want to stay f'd up, then so be it. They need to do it somewhere else. They don't want us in their countries, and we shouldn't be happy to have them here. They don't share our goals for this country. Tell me, Zig, where is the outrage from these dog sht Muslim countries? They outraged that a fellow Moslem tried to kill all these innocent people? Uh, no!! It would be a false display. They do not value the lives of non-believers. This is just not a priority for them. I repeat, their values are sht.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

The public news. Who ordered these attacks? Obama. Seems the war on terrorism, both domestic and foreign, has heated up quite a bit with this President. Oh, yeah, and he also shoots to kill Somali pirates.

Of course, this stuff was all over the news at the time (I just found them again via simple google search), but were generally overlooked in favor of publicity and coverage of the late summer Republican outrage and town hall meetings about death panels and opposition to healthcare reforms.

The war on terrorism has "heated up" with this President? You cant be serious? The reason they were "overlooked" is that they were all fairly minor stories compared to the years and years of many more important terror suspects captured or killed during the previous 7 years. Pointing out a couple of googled stories doesnt make your point. As usual you "defend" Obama despite your statement being what was questioned, not Obama.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

WTF is getting rid of her gunna do? As we've seen repeatedly on here, Americans are simply not willing to get tough on Islam. They refuse to take the basics of that religion seriously. Fact is this waste killing our people is simply following their religion (as their con-man prophet set it up.) They shouldn't be allowed at all to come here. Until we declare that Moslems are unwelcome here, we will continue to be their btch. Oh, you think that's extreme? Tell me, don't you think freedom of the press is a highly cherished American value? Well, very few Moslems respect that value.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100102/...ark_cartoonist

It wasn't a few extreme Moslems that wanted to kill this guy. It was the majority. I don't want a cartoonist to fear for his life because of these people refusing to respect the freedom of the press. You want to have cartoonists hiding in fear like this? I don't. I don't want Moslems here. They have dog sht values. Look at the basics their prophet set up. Nobody that follows that bullsht is a friend of America. There is no way that someone can follow that prophet's teachings, and also respect American values. They will only pretend to do it. We deserve better. Americans, right now, are like battered women. They keep taking this filth back. Well, this filth will never change their ways. They will never be your friend. They will pretend to do so until the time comes for them to be themselves. Make fun of me, if it makes you feel better, but then read the basics of what their prophet set down for them to follow. You'll see it's incompatible with our way of life. We don't need to change our ways. They want to stay f'd up, then so be it. They need to do it somewhere else. They don't want us in their countries, and we shouldn't be happy to have them here. They don't share our goals for this country. Tell me, Zig, where is the outrage from these dog sht Muslim countries? They outraged that a fellow Moslem tried to kill all these innocent people? Uh, no!! It would be a false display. They do not value the lives of non-believers. This is just not a priority for them. I repeat, their values are sht.

wtf is getting rid of her going to do? probably nothing. but in instances like this, people demand a sacrifice, and right or wrong, she'll be it. it won't solve a problem. it's my opinion that posts like this are largely highly paid, and ceremonial-with the assistants doing all the actual grunt work.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The war on terrorism has "heated up" with this President? You cant be serious? The reason they were "overlooked" is that they were all fairly minor stories compared to the years and years of many more important terror suspects captured or killed during the previous 7 years. Pointing out a couple of googled stories doesnt make your point. As usual you "defend" Obama despite your statement being what was questioned, not Obama.

it hasn't heated up. and his attempts to send people from gitmo to yemen will only lead to more attempted attacks like that one on 12-25. obama deals in dreams, not reality. he wants all this bad stuff to go away, doesn't mean it's going to.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...147162222.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126211787251809321.html

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it hasn't heated up. and his attempts to send people from gitmo to yemen will only lead to more attempted attacks like that one on 12-25. obama deals in dreams, not reality. he wants all this bad stuff to go away, doesn't mean it's going to.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...147162222.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126211787251809321.html

This Presidents' inaction has caused the terrorists to be emboldened by the "sleeping giant" not slapping them down, or broadcasting their planned offensives,for instance.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The war on terrorism has "heated up" with this President? You cant be serious? The reason they were "overlooked" is that they were all fairly minor stories compared to the years and years of many more important terror suspects captured or killed during the previous 7 years. Pointing out a couple of googled stories doesnt make your point. As usual you "defend" Obama despite your statement being what was questioned, not Obama.

Let's see.

I paid attention to these news stories when they happened. I recalled them. So I said: "Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in the last five years."

You said: "That's preposterous".

So I listed seven terrorists - two of whom are pretty damn important - Obama has had taken out in the US, Somalia (the most feared terrorist there), and Pakistan in the past year.

So, your turn. List the countless terrorists Bush has taken out in the last five years of his administration.

BTW - listing the specific examples I am talking about - that's called "proof" and "evidence" - exactly makes my point.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Cheney speaks the truth, sometimes it hurts but it needed to be said. The Obama administrations whole approach is to treat all of these incidents as isolated loners, not connected to any wider conspiracy. they seem to not have a coherent strategy other than to downplay every event and then blame Bush..

What particular, "every events then blame Bush" are you talking about? "all these incidents" - please, tell the specific incidents you are referring to, show us where this administration came out that the people in question were loners? Or blamed Bush for them?

Because the killing and capture of terrorists I listed doesn't fall into the parameters of your assertions in the least. Neither does anything I've seen this administration do to date. So you'll have to be specific and point it out.

The Obama administration is doing exactly what was promised regarding changing the Bush strategy (was there one?) of pursuing terrorists, and doing it aggressively and with results. They are targeting specifically Al Quaeda - and doing what is needed: getting out of the quagmire of Iraq (why are we there again?), increasing pursuit of specific Al Quaeda where they are, in Afghanistan & Pakistan (using unmanned drones and manned missions), Somalia, and keeping an eye on Yemen.

He's already had better results than Bush has in the past five years. You, too, are free to show that my assertion is wrong with some facts.

BTW, Dick Cheney is a cold-blooded liar, a torturer, and showed no respect for our Constitution.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it hasn't heated up. and his attempts to send people from gitmo to yemen will only lead to more attempted attacks like that one on 12-25. obama deals in dreams, not reality. he wants all this bad stuff to go away, doesn't mean it's going to.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...147162222.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126211787251809321.html

So, you're saying that Obama should change his policy? Stop pursuit? That the United States should not pursue terrorists that are targeting us? Al Quaeda? We should ignore them? Run? Hide? Be scared of them? Let them be?

Obama's reality is aggressive, specific targeting of those that wish to do us harm. His reality is dead Al Quaeda terrorists since he took office. Good for our side.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

This Presidents' inaction has caused the terrorists to be emboldened by the "sleeping giant" not slapping them down, or broadcasting their planned offensives,for instance.

Nonsense. There's been plenty of action, on several fronts. Obama took out the biggest, most feared Al Quaeda guy in Somalia.

Pretending otherwise doesn't make the reality go away.