Over/Under on Dominguez wins today

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by gales0678

i don't get it - if todd can be bashed on here for his lack of production in the tc and bc , why can't ramon be as well ???

He's ridden in just 6 Derby's on horses like Desert Party, Monba, Sam P. and High Limit. He got a 2nd with the impossible Bluegrass Cat.

His Preakness mounts have been: Giant Moon, Xchanger, Diabolical, Scrappy T, Foufa's Warrior, Equality, and Bay Eagle ... it's like a who's who of horses that suck... and he was 2nd with the impossible Scrappy T.

He's had just one career mount in the Belmont Stakes - on a mega longshot named Caimen who just ran for a $2,500 claiming tag at Beulah the other day.

There's your 0-for-14 lifetime TC record.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's ridden in just 6 Derby's on horses like Desert Party, Monba, Sam P. and High Limit. He got a 2nd with the impossible Bluegrass Cat.

His Preakness mounts have been: Giant Moon, Xchanger, Diabolical, Scrappy T, Foufa's Warrior, Equality, and Bay Eagle ... it's like a who's who of horses that suck... and he was 2nd with the impossible Scrappy T.

He's had just one career mount in the Belmont Stakes - on a mega longshot named Caimen who just ran for a $2,500 claiming tag at Beulah the other day.

There's your 0-for-14 lifetime TC record.

and what is the BC record why did you convinetly leave that out?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's ridden in just 6 Derby's on horses like Desert Party, Monba, Sam P. and High Limit. He got a 2nd with the impossible Bluegrass Cat.

His Preakness mounts have been: Giant Moon, Xchanger, Diabolical, Scrappy T, Foufa's Warrior, Equality, and Bay Eagle ... it's like a who's who of horses that suck... and he was 2nd with the impossible Scrappy T.

He's had just one career mount in the Belmont Stakes - on a mega longshot named Caimen who just ran for a $2,500 claiming tag at Beulah the other day.

There's your 0-for-14 lifetime TC record.

but let me guess the trainer of that horse got lucky and if ramon wasn't riding that day the horse would have finished 8th right drugs???

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

and what is the BC record why did you convinetly leave that out?

what did Dominquez screw your girlfriend or something? I dont get the hate?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by gales0678

and what is the BC record why did you convinetly leave that out?

Dominguez' mounts routinely have outperformed their odds in the Breeders' Cup.

Ramon A. Dominguez 24/1-4-4-2 ($4,389,350.00)

Battle Won (S, 2005) 11th, 16-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2004) WON, 28-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2005) 7th, 8-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2006) 2nd, 18-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2007) 4th, 8-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2008) 8th, 36-1
Cannonball (TS, 2009) 3rd, 6-1
Cocoa Beach (CHI) (LC, 2008) 2nd, 8-1
Dance Away Capote (JF, 2004) 5th, 16-1
Dean's Kitten (JT, 2009) 6th, 55-1
Fabulous Strike (S, 2008) 5th, 7-1
Friendly Island (S, 2006) 2nd, 59-1
Gio Ponti (JT, 2007) 8th, 8-1
Gio Ponti (C, 2009) 2nd, 12-1
Miraculous Miss (FMS, 2008) 4th, 38-1
My Cousin Matt (S, 2004) 3rd, 61-1
Passage of Time (GB) (FMT, 2007) 3rd, 3-1*
Remarkable News (VEN) (M, 2007) 7th, 16-1
Rob Roy (M, 2006) 5th, 23-1
Sky Diva (JF, 2008) 3rd, 4-1
Unbridled Belle (LC, 2007) 5th, 6-1
Wild Gams (FMS, 2007) 9th, 11-1
William's Kitten (J, 2009) 8th, 78-1
Xchanger (DM, 2007) 6th, 8-1

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

what did Dominquez screw your girlfriend or something? I dont get the hate?

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

what did Dominquez screw your girlfriend or something? I dont get the hate?

i don't hate the guy at all , he is a very good rider , maybe the best in the game right now maybe close to the best depending on who you talk to

but would you not agree with me that before it's over and we crown him he should win some of racing most important races - ie the TC races or BC races

are those races not the most important races in the country every year?


i can make an argument that todd pletcher is the best trainer in the country and all i hear on here is that he stinks because he is 0 for 30 in the derby , doesn't win eneough bc races - todd may train another 25 years or longer who knows, maybe before it's over he will win the derby many times and maybe ramon will ride some derby winners for him , but tell me why , if both of these guys have a long way to go in their career only 1 can be crucified on here for not getting it done at this point , that does not seem fair to me


why is ok to bash pletcher for his failure to date in these races and ramon gets off scott free

again am i to believe that without ramon on the "impossible" bluegrass cat , he would have finished up the track that day

happy birthday

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Dominguez' mounts routinely have outperformed their odds in the Breeders' Cup.

Ramon A. Dominguez 24/1-4-4-2 ($4,389,350.00)

Battle Won (S, 2005) 11th, 16-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2004) WON, 28-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2005) 7th, 8-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2006) 2nd, 18-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2007) 4th, 8-1
Better Talk Now (T, 2008) 8th, 36-1
Cannonball (TS, 2009) 3rd, 6-1
Cocoa Beach (CHI) (LC, 2008) 2nd, 8-1
Dance Away Capote (JF, 2004) 5th, 16-1
Dean's Kitten (JT, 2009) 6th, 55-1
Fabulous Strike (S, 2008) 5th, 7-1
Friendly Island (S, 2006) 2nd, 59-1
Gio Ponti (JT, 2007) 8th, 8-1
Gio Ponti (C, 2009) 2nd, 12-1
Miraculous Miss (FMS, 2008) 4th, 38-1
My Cousin Matt (S, 2004) 3rd, 61-1
Passage of Time (GB) (FMT, 2007) 3rd, 3-1*
Remarkable News (VEN) (M, 2007) 7th, 16-1
Rob Roy (M, 2006) 5th, 23-1
Sky Diva (JF, 2008) 3rd, 4-1
Unbridled Belle (LC, 2007) 5th, 6-1
Wild Gams (FMS, 2007) 9th, 11-1
William's Kitten (J, 2009) 8th, 78-1
Xchanger (DM, 2007) 6th, 8-1

steve if you don't like my opinion you are the boss here , you know what you can do

he's a very good rider , he will be in the hall of fame - i am pointing out that to date he is 1 for 38 on racing's biggest days


maybe the agent isn't getting him on the right horses , because he is obviously better than a 3% jockey , i know that , the whole world knows that

todd is the best trainer in the game and he gets it on here for his failure in these big races , why am i not allowed to point out a fact that ramon has failed to menace on the big days

[pgiaco]

I think since Dominguez can only ride one in each derby, and Pletcher can send out multiple horses in the race almost every year, Pletcher gets more criticism for his Derby record. For whatever reason, Ramon is not getting on the "big" horse in the TC and BC. Steve shows in Dominguez' BC runs, his horses outperform their odds. I just don't see how you can watch races and not see this guy's talent and appreciate how he goes about his business. Did you think John Elway sucked until he won a Super Bowl later in his career?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by gales0678

todd is the best trainer in the game and he gets it on here for his failure in these big races , why am i not allowed to point out a fact that ramon has failed to menace on the big days

Originally Posted by gales0678

why is ok to bash pletcher for his failure to date in these races and ramon gets off scott free

A trainer, and if you're citing Pletcher specifically, gets DOZENS of high quality horses to train toward Triple Crown and Breeders' Cup races. DOZENS AND DOZENS of the best bred and most expensive horses... So his record in TC/BC races is far more suspect in a discussion like this than a jockey who gets exactly ONE mount, maybe, in any of the available races you're talking about. You do understand that nuance?

[Kasept]

Also, I forgot to add above that $2 ATB wagers on Dominguez' 24 Breeders' Cup mounts would cost $144.00 and return $236.60.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

steve if you don't like my opinion you are the boss here , you know what you can do

he's a very good rider , he will be in the hall of fame - i am pointing out that to date he is 1 for 38 on racing's biggest days


maybe the agent isn't getting him on the right horses , because he is obviously better than a 3% jockey , i know that , the whole world knows that

todd is the best trainer in the game and he gets it on here for his failure in these big races , why am i not allowed to point out a fact that ramon has failed to menace on the big days

You understand that you are ranting about races that equate to about .0042% of his mounts?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by pgiaco

I think since Dominguez can only ride one in each derby, and Pletcher can send out multiple horses in the race almost every year, Pletcher gets more criticism for his Derby record. For whatever reason, Ramon is not getting on the "big" horse in the TC and BC. Steve shows in Dominguez' BC runs, his horses outperform their odds. I just don't see how you can watch races and not see this guy's talent and appreciate how he goes about his business. Did you think John Elway sucked until he won a Super Bowl later in his career?

do you really believe that todd wanted to run all of those horses in the derby?

John Elway was a great player throughout his career, Dan Marino was better but he doesn't have 2 rings and that is a hole in his career resume

A-Rod is a great baseball player (maybe the best in the game over the last 10 yrs) , now he has a ring to go with it - he was hammered by the fans rightfully so because he didn't do it on the big days in the fall with either seattle or the yankees , this year he did it

Ramon is a very good rider , i keep saying that .....is todd not a very good trainer becuase he is 1 for 70 in the TC races , are all those training titles at the spa , belmont ,and elsewhere meaningless because he is 1 for 70 in TC races?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

A trainer, and if you're citing Pletcher specifically, gets DOZENS of high quality horses to train toward Triple Crown and Breeders' Cup races. DOZENS AND DOZENS of the best bred and most expensive horses... So his record in TC/BC races is far more suspect in a discussion like this than a jockey who gets exactly ONE mount, maybe, in any of the available races you're talking about. You do understand that nuance?

todd will have have more chances of course , he had 5 in 1 year , ramon can only ride 1

do you think todd wanted to run every horse in the derby that he entered ?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Also, I forgot to add above that $2 ATB wagers on Dominguez' 24 Breeders' Cup mounts would cost $144.00 and return $236.60.

steve when do you bet show?

stop this nonsense

he's 1 for 38 to date , he is the best jockey in the country to many on here

he better do better than 1 for 38 in the next 38 mounts do you not agree?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

do you really believe that todd wanted to run all of those horses in the derby?
John Elway was a great player throughout his career, Dan Marino was better but he doesn't have 2 rings and that is a hole in his career resume

A-Rod is a great baseball player (maybe the best in the game over the last 10 yrs) , now he has a ring to go with it - he was hammered by the fans rightfully so because he didn't do it on the big days in the fall with either seattle or the yankees , this year he did it

Ramon is a very good rider , i keep saying that .....is todd not a very good trainer becuase he is 1 for 70 in the TC races , are all those training titles at the spa , belmont ,and elsewhere meaningless because he is 1 for 70 in TC races?

Do you believe that Ramon thought that Sam P had chance to win ? Maybe he just took the mount, because he wants to evetually ride first call for Pletcher. Maybe he realized that he was lucky enough just to have an opportunity to ride in the big race. Maybe he though he really had a shot. Whatever the reason, but you have to be kidding me wanting to hold that over his head and count the fact that he couldn't bring home 43-1 Sam P and that's one of the reasons he's not an elite rider.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Do you believe that Ramon thought that Sam P had chance to win ? Maybe he just took the mount, because he wants to evetually ride first call for Pletcher. Maybe he realized that he was lucky enough just to have an opportunity to ride in the big race. Maybe he though he really had a shot. Whatever the reason, but you have to be kidding me wanting to hold that over his head and count the fact that he couldn't bring home 43-1 Sam P and that's one of the reasons he's not an elite rider.

no

You understand that you are ranting about races that equate to about .0042% of his mounts?

matt be so kind and tell me what the % is for todd - tc/bc starters vs all horses that todd starts - isn't it going to be less than 5% as well?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Kasept

A trainer, and if you're citing Pletcher specifically, gets DOZENS of high quality horses to train toward Triple Crown and Breeders' Cup races. DOZENS AND DOZENS of the best bred and most expensive horses... So his record in TC/BC races is far more suspect in a discussion like this than a jockey who gets exactly ONE mount, maybe, in any of the available races you're talking about. You do understand that nuance?

marty i like you but wtf whats the argument.. and todd does not do well in the derby.he takes everyones
old derby horses and turns them into multiple stakes winners..

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

marty i like you but wtf whats the argument..

here is what i am saying

todd is the best trainer in the country over the last 10 yrs that is a fact - he wins the most $ , wins the most races , wins the most training titles

he gets bashed on here for not doing it eneough in tc races and on bc day - fairly so , he has underperformed on those days

people on here believe that ramon is the best jockey in the country ,

shouldn't the best jock in the county be better than 1 for 38 on the big days?


why is ok for todd to be bashed for being 1 for 70 or whatever in the tc and 3 for whatever in the bc and ramon's record can't be bashed - i don't get it matt

both ramon and todd have a long way to go in their careers before the finals numbers are done - why not let it play out and see what happens , mabye they will both end up with multiple tc wins and multiple bc wins

[Antitrust32]

I hope Ramon wins the triple crown this year!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

didnt he win multiple jock titles in ny including the spa? his big race win perc has more to do with his agent then his ability..and todd is not worried about anything..he sleeps well on stacks of hundos.........