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[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

Didnt anybody notice how hard R.A. was lugging in ? Champions dont do that , or at least they shouldnt , she is done . If she brings that race to the next she gets beat again.

So, you figure Rachel would have lost to Dance to My Tune today?

And, no, I didn't notice how hard she was lugging in. Even during my fifth viewing.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Honu-

Dont you think that was more a product of her being short?

Nope , she was lugging in before the running started , he already had her head cocked passing the horse on the lead at the 5/16ths pole. She continued to lug in after that if you watch the replay he goes to the left handed stick right away . I have watched her races and I dont recall her lugging in before today , perhaps she did but was on the lead and it didnt matter . When horses start lugging one way or the other there is a habit forming and it may have started in the morning but either way they better get her over it.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You're the classic bully, DrugS. You love it when you're right yet you can't handle it when you're wrong.

What was I even wrong about?

I started a freaking thread saying Zardana might be real competiton to RA. Something that 99% of people would laugh at if I didn't showcase such a good argument in the post.

I dug up trainer stats which clearly said Asmussen is a terrible layoff trainer.

I'm a classic guy who should be doing better things with his time than wasting it with you.

I'm the classic guy who can walk to the bank and withdrawl over a hundred thousand dollars in cash anytime said bank is open. And why? Because of some nice steady high paying job I've had? ... No, I've never had a "job" for more than 4 months in my life. I've never had anything even close to a "real job" ever...and you can be sure I never will.

Did I inherit something good? Nope. Trust Fund? Nope. TFM, if this is all somehow your way of pretending that your analytically superior to me .. it's a weak attempt. A 1/9 shot I wouldn't touch with fake money at those odds lost and it's like some kind of glory day for you somehow.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Honu

Didnt anybody notice how hard R.A. was lugging in ? Champions dont do that , or at least they shouldnt , she is done . If she brings that race to the next she gets beat again.

I respect your opinion on noticing horses' condition but also I didn't see anything here. She just looked very short and lacked the burst she usually has. Her head was a little cocked but she looked like she was watching her opponent. In retrospect, her worst race last year was also at Fair Grounds, I'm hoping that was what caused her poor performance. Zardana is a nice horse but not one I'd expect to beat Rachel, especially given the circumstance (no trouble, decent but far from exceptional pace.)

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What was I even wrong about?

I started a freaking thread saying Zardana might be real competiton to RA. Something that 99% of people would laugh at if I didn't showcase such a good argument in the post.

I dug up trainer stats which clearly said Asmussen is a terrible layoff trainer.

I'm a classic guy who should be doing better things with his time than wasting it with you.

I'm the classic guy who can walk to the bank and withdrawl over a hundred thousand dollars in cash anytime said bank is open. And why? Because of some nice steady high paying job I've had? ... No, I've never had a "job" for more than 4 months in my life. I've never had anything even close to a "real job" ever...and you can be sure I never will.

Did I inherit something good? Nope. Trust Fund? Nope. TFM, if this is all somehow your way of pretending that your analytically superior to me .. it's a weak attempt. A 1/9 shot I wouldn't touch with fake money at those odds lost and it's like some kind of glory day for you somehow.

Got a couple dimes a brother can borrow?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by philcski

I respect your opinion on noticing horses' condition but also I didn't see anything here. She just looked very short and lacked the burst she usually has. Her head was a little cocked but she looked like she was watching her opponent. In retrospect, her worst race last year was also at Fair Grounds, I'm hoping that was what caused her poor performance. Zardana is a nice horse but not one I'd expect to beat Rachel, especially given the circumstance (no trouble, decent but far from exceptional pace.)

Look at her head position coming past the 5/16ths pole , when a horse is running comfortable and straight you dont see its head tipping out , dude watch the replay , she was lugging in , is she a horse that always lugs in ?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So, you figure Rachel would have lost to Dance to My Tune today?

And, no, I didn't notice how hard she was lugging in. Even during my fifth viewing.

Try watching it without your head tilted.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Honu

Look at her head position coming past the 5/16ths pole , when a horse is running comfortable and straight you dont see its head tipping out , dude watch the replay , she was lugging in , is she a horse that always lugs in ?

I watched it again and still don't see it. She has never lugged in in the past. Hopefully she comes back OK and it was just a bad day so we can get the matchup everyone wants. The commentary would indicate as such. Borel and Asmussen both thought that she was just short and Assman even insinuated he didn't do a good job training up to the race.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What was I even wrong about?

I started a freaking thread saying Zardana might be real competiton to RA. Something that 99% of people would laugh at if I didn't showcase such a good argument in the post.

I dug up trainer stats which clearly said Asmussen is a terrible layoff trainer.

I'm a classic guy who should be doing better things with his time than wasting it with you.

I'm the classic guy who can walk to the bank and withdrawl over a hundred thousand dollars in cash anytime said bank is open. And why? Because of some nice steady high paying job I've had? ... No, I've never had a "job" for more than 4 months in my life. I've never had anything even close to a "real job" ever...and you can be sure I never will.

Did I inherit something good? Nope. Trust Fund? Nope. TFM, if this is all somehow your way of pretending that your analytically superior to me .. it's a weak attempt. A 1/9 shot I wouldn't touch with fake money at those odds lost and it's like some kind of glory day for you somehow.

Why is it that a guy with your ability gets so easily worked up by my comments? Isn't the game hard enough for you? Do you really need my support? Does my opinion matter that much? Just concede that when it comes to Z and RA, you're on the wrong team. It's the numbers: they cloud your judgment. You're doing fine otherwise. Really.

All these other points you bring up merely obfuscate the issues. Don't feel bad: BTW, Beyer, CJ, DaHoss, Mike the EUNUCH, PhilSICK, they're all with you.

Thanks for the laughs

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

Try watching it without your head tilted.

Now, I will be nice....but that was a big fat fastball. Please don't throw me any more of those. I just don't think I can resist again.

I'm weak that way.

[Payson Dave]

lol

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Why is it that a guy with your ability gets so easily worked up by my comments? Isn't the game hard enough for you? Do you really need my support? Does my opinion matter that much? Just concede that when it comes to Z and RA, you're on the wrong team. It's the numbers: they cloud your judgment. You're doing fine otherwise. Really.

All these other points you bring up merely obfuscate the issues. Don't feel bad: BTW, Beyer, CJ, DaHoss, Mike the EUNUCH, PhilSICK, they're all with you.

Thanks for the laughs

I didn't see anything today to sway me from my opinion that Rachel is better. Even on an off day she ran a better race. But, I am willing to concede that Zenyatta probably had an off day as well.

You know trips...and you know that I know ( this is like a Honeymooners routine ) that you know them.....so please don't pretend that Zenyatta didn't have a great one ( for synth ) today.

My favorite moment was when Trevor said she was eight lengths back....when she was really about four lengths behind.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It sucks being wrong? You gotta be kidding me. I am laughing so hard that it's hard to type. Dude, I'm wrong on TV, in front of thousands of people, many times five days a week. If it sucked to be wrong for me I would have thrown myself in front of a bus years ago.

And now you bring up Pioneer of the Nile's horrendous second in the Derby?

You must be KILLING them at the windows.

You're deranged. Trust me, I respect that, I've been there. I'm even there now. But, really, this is too funny.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Now, I will be nice....but that was a big fat fastball. Please don't throw me any more of those. I just don't think I can resist again.

I'm weak that way.

LOL ok man , just watched it again , notice her head being tilted out rounding the first turn( the shadow on the track gives it some definition) , she does line out down the backside but you see Borel at the half reach up and get another hold , again her head is tipped out , he gets another hold when she changes leads and never attepmts to go right handed he pulls his stick thru and goes to the left handed bat after he passes the horse on the lead. Maybe she was lugging because he was holding her so hard either way she was still lugging in.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I didn't see anything cocked in RA's race today.

Thats fine.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

LOL ok man , just watched it again , notice her head being tilted out rounding the first turn( the shadow on the track gives it some definition) , she does line out down the backside but you see Borel at the half reach up and get another hold , again her head is tipped out , he gets another hold when she changes leads and never attepmts to go right handed he pulls his stick thru and goes to the left handed bat after he passes the horse on the lead. Maybe she was lugging because he was holding her so hard either way she was still lugging in.

I think we need to see the head-on. I also wonder if she wasn't a little unhappy being ( sort of ) pinned down inside another horse in the stretch.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Honu

LOL ok man , just watched it again , notice her head being tilted out rounding the first turn( the shadow on the track gives it some definition) , she does line out down the backside but you see Borel at the half reach up and get another hold , again her head is tipped out , he gets another hold when she changes leads and never attepmts to go right handed he pulls his stick thru and goes to the left handed bat after he passes the horse on the lead. Maybe she was lugging because he was holding her so hard either way she was still lugging in.

I did see this during the running, but that wasn't surprising- I figured her to be eager off the layoff.

Zenyatta didn't run her best today either, but thankfully didn't run into any good horses. She did a good job just finding a way to win anyways.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think we need to see the head-on. I also wonder if she wasn't a little unhappy being ( sort of ) pinned down inside another horse in the stretch.

Could be a combination of stuff , didnt like being held so hard the first part , maybe she is doing this crap in the mornings trying to get away from the exericise rider , maybe Assman was handed a golden goose last year and doesnt know all of her lil habits yet .
Either way Z ran her race with no excuses , she ran against the same crap horses as R.A. did today and got in trouble and still showed her stuff , the classier mare got her picture taken today.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by philcski

I did see this during the running, but that wasn't surprising- I figured her to be eager off the layoff.

Zenyatta didn't run her best today either, but thankfully didn't run into any good horses. She did a good job just finding a way to win anyways.

Z didnt have much pace no excuse tho she did what she had to even tho she only won by a length ......otherhand R.A. is the pace and was sitting behind very slow fractions for her , maybe holding her back made her even shorter than she was but still I expected more I guess . On to Hot Springs , and we will see who does what , will be interesting to see who goes for the 500k for third.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Why is it that a guy with your ability gets so easily worked up by my comments? Isn't the game hard enough for you? Do you really need my support? Does my opinion matter that much? Just concede that when it comes to Z and RA, you're on the wrong team. It's the numbers: they cloud your judgment. You're doing fine otherwise. Really.

All these other points you bring up merely obfuscate the issues. Don't feel bad: BTW, Beyer, CJ, DaHoss, Mike the EUNUCH, PhilSICK, they're all with you.

Thanks for the laughs

Where and when did YOU decide what team I'M "on"? To me, one is not better than the other until they settle it on the track. I was in the RA camp for HOTY, because she did more over the course of last year than Zenyatta did. But I was on track for both of their best races- and trying to decide between the two without them facing off is impossible.

I called you out for coming on here AFTER THE RACE to talk ****, if you had a bold opinion, you should have shared it prior to the race. The only person I saw selecting a horse other than Rachel in the race was Pacheco and she gave a reason why (even if she ended up on the wrong one her reasoning was good why Rachel could lose.) You said nothing.