Questions for Zenyatta Fans. . .

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I knew you knew the answer. . . Can I take Joe's place as your facebook BFF?

Your out of control.

[DerbyCat]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Bzzz we dont need fans we need gamblers.

Actually, the sport does need FANS, and gamblers, and owners, and leadership, and a lot of other things. It needs balance and sports like the NFL and MLB and even freakin' Major League Soccer have those things. I was just at a conference that the NFL Commissioner spoke at (he's surprisingly a very soft spoken man) and he talked about the how important the balance is between all user groups and how important the fans are. Without the fans, revenue drops - you need the balance. The sport of horse racing is really lacking in this balance.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You put a lot of undue wear-and-tear on my scroll-wheel.

Who cares about fly by night racing fans/pretty horsey people who don't bet and have no interest in even learning how to handicap?

Tommy Brady's so cute and the New England Patriots are 18-0 - Yay!!! I'm a football fan now!!

As long as they buy jerseys, tickets, and watch the games on TV. Who cares who they are?

Same focus should be placed upon horse racing, put the focus on entertaining the fans and increasing the experience when attending the races. Your handle will increase as a by product.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pba1817

I would be willing to wager that the handle was better than any Saturday of the meet so far. Isn't that the point? To increase handle?

absolutely! i haven't seen any of the numbers, i'd imagine handle was higher than a normal saturday. however, racing needs to find more than a horse running five times a year to get fans to show up.

[Dahoss]

This is quite the analogy. Saying it's apples and oranges is being too nice.

[randallscott35]

I give up

Yeah I'm not going to knock adding casual fans to the sport. Adding a much larger fan base will get the attention of the networks, so on and so forth blah blah blah.

But to do that you need...

1. better management of the sport
2. lower takeout
3. removal of the tax man
4. braver owners
5. non-despicable owners and trainers with good stock
6. improved facilities
7. more fat charts

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah I'm not going to knock adding casual fans to the sport. Adding a much larger fan base will get the attention of the networks, so on and so forth blah blah blah.

But to do that you need...

1. better management of the sport
2. lower takeout
3. removal of the tax man
4. braver owners
5. non-despicable owners and trainers with good stock
6. improved facilities
7. more fat charts

Agreed 100%

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah I'm not going to knock adding casual fans to the sport. Adding a much larger fan base will get the attention of the networks, so on and so forth blah blah blah.

But to do that you need...

1. better management of the sport
2. lower takeout
3. removal of the tax man
4. braver owners
5. non-despicable owners and trainers with good stock
6. improved facilities
7. more fat charts

Coach, why bother? Randall has given up, it's all over now!!!

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Coach, why bother? Randall has given up, it's all over now!!!

He's sane for giving up. This sport is doomed.

[DerbyCat]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yeah I'm not going to knock adding casual fans to the sport. Adding a much larger fan base will get the attention of the networks, so on and so forth blah blah blah.

But to do that you need...

1. better management of the sport
2. lower takeout
3. removal of the tax man
4. braver owners
5. non-despicable owners and trainers with good stock
6. improved facilities
7. more fat charts

Coach knows his sh!t

[tiggerv]

DMR WPS Combined Pool

7/24 - $4,234,464
7/31 - $4,658,515
8/7 - $5,577,436

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Betting exchange markets by themselves can save this sport - assuming the commisions are kept reasonable and that there's few or no entities competing with each other.

If things go smoothly ... horse racing will be flooded with 19 year old college kids on a sustained Mountain Dew buzz who spend 14 hours a day on their computer handicapping and betting on races in the market.

That's what could save racing - a vast army of younger people betting up to 70 or 80 races a day.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by tiggerv

DMR WPS Combined Pool

7/24 - $4,234,464
7/31 - $4,658,515
8/7 - $5,577,436

cool - they probably bet about a million dollars to place on Zenyatta - and the track was stuck with a negative place pool.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

That's what could save racing - a vast army younger people betting up to 70 or 80 races a day.

You're just drooling at the thought of all those easy pickings.

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

cool - they probably bet about a million dollars to place on Zenyatta - and the track was stuck with a negative place pool.

I don't doubt that. $1033223 on her race in the WP pool.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Betting exchange markets by themselves can save this sport - assuming the commisions are kept reasonable and that there's few or no entities competing with each other.

If things go smoothly ... horse racing will be flooded with 19 year old college kids on a sustained Mountain Dew buzz who spend 14 hours a day on their computer handicapping and betting on races in the market.

That's what could save racing - a vast army of younger people betting up to 70 or 80 races a day.

The problem with this is that they haven't found a way to funnel that money to the tracks for purses, etc. . . Until they do, it won't happen.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

You're just drooling at the thought of all those easy pickings.

We will see if they prove to be easy pickings.

I was playing as many as 50 or more races a day - seven days a week - on Ehorse's exchange before it went away the first turn .. and in total I had about 11 accounts there - most in my own name and a few for other people.

After about a few months of that - my new nickname became "Auschwitz" because I had lost weight and looked different.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

The problem with this is that they haven't found a way to funnel that money to the tracks for purses, etc. . . Until they do, it won't happen.

It will have to happen.

That's there only shot with younger people. I still habitually watch Betfair's markets almost everyday even though I don't have an account with them.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

We will see if they prove to be easy pickings.

I was playing as many as 50 or more races a day - seven days a week - on Ehorse's exchange before it went away the first turn .. and in total I had about 11 accounts there - most in my own name and a few for other people.

After about a few months of that - my new nickname became "Auschwitz" because I had lost weight and looked different.

This was probably against seasoned competition. You don't expect novices to pick up the game as quickly as poker, do you?

The reason I've significantly increased the number of plays I make a day is to see if I can find 'value' playing different tracks. The result is that I find quite of bit of value, some real easy plays. With this, however, comes significantly more pressure in terms of decision making. It's real easy to bet a race incorrectly when you have a few seconds to figure out what you're doing. There's thus a lot of money left on the table. Of course, the pie is larger, balancing things out.