Nancy Pelosi, Communist?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Socialism. .

Exactly. I'm surprised Dell is doing that <g>

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Originally Posted by joeydb

I don't see how you draw that from my comments. We would want the little guy to be able to keep as much of his as possible too.

Even with a flat tax rate, which we'd never see, the amounts would be fair. 10% tax is 10% tax, whether on $100,000 , a million, or 100 million.

Yes, but the tax rate would have to be more around 20-26%, to equal what is taken in now with taxes.

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Originally Posted by gales0678

let me guess , you own the gas pump she uses to fill up that air force 3 plane every time she flies into the west coast and you are p/o that she is going to lose that plane in 3 months

Letting them use a jet makes sense when you consider Constitutional succession:

Did Nancy Pelosi order up a 200-seat jet for her personal use?

Is it true that Nancy Pelosi travels from California three times a week on a private jet (200-seat size) at a cost to the taxpayers of $60K per flight? If so, this would total $480K per month or $5.7M per year. This comes from taxpayer money? If true, how can we criticize others? Is this a good use of taxpayers' hard-earned money and what about the carbon footprint?

A: The Democratic House speaker normally flies in a 12-seat Air Force jet, just as her Republican predecessor did.

More at Factcheck.org

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Originally Posted by joeydb

As a result, government is obligated to spend as little as possible. In this way freedom is maximized and the burdens of taxation would be minimized.".

So you like what the new conservative leadership of England just did? It is virtually exactly what the current ultra-conservative GOP is asking for in the US.

If so, how do you reconcile that when England did the same previously, in the early part of the last century, it was a massive economic failure?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,1227957.story Britain unveils radical austerity plan

http://www.tampabay.com/news/world/c...the-us/1129353

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann..._b_770748.html

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, but the tax rate would have to be more around 20-26%, to equal what is taken in now with taxes.

That's where the spending cuts come in. But at least we're agreed that there would be no need for income "brackets".

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

So you like what the new conservative leadership of England just did? It is virtually exactly what the current ultra-conservative GOP is asking for in the US.

If so, how do you reconcile that when England did the same previously, in the early part of the last century, it was a massive economic failure?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,1227957.story Britain unveils radical austerity plan

http://www.tampabay.com/news/world/c...the-us/1129353

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann..._b_770748.html

They had to cut expenses. HAD TO. Soon, when China refuses to loan us another nickel, we will do the same.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

That's where the spending cuts come in. But at least we're agreed that there would be no need for income "brackets".

I wish the flat tax was put into effect 30 years ago, when we could have afforded it and it was far more doable.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

They had to cut expenses. HAD TO.

Yes. I'm not saying it's easy or black and white. But history - and many economists - predicts their economy will completely crash now. We'll see (the last link above talks about the negatives). Of course, the good thing is that they will be in a far more stable financial position in the next 5 years. But let's see what is also being predicted now from this (the second link, above)

• About 490,000 public sector jobs likely to be lost

A half-milllion unemployed thrust into an economy that's already fragile.

• Over $11 billion in additional welfare budget cuts

So, will these guys just starve on the streets? It's not like they can go to work, there are no jobs

• Police funding cut by 4% a year

Hopefully they can continue to fight crime.

• Retirement age to rise from 65 to 66 by 2020

Keep working another year in that economy with no jobs.

• National Health Service budget in England to rise every year until 2015

And healthcare costs skyrockets.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

I wish the flat tax was put into effect 30 years ago

I gotta stop agreeing with you like this... LOL.

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Originally Posted by joeydb

That's where the spending cuts come in. But at least we're agreed that there would be no need for income "brackets".

I have seen the entire GOP talk about "spending cuts", but I have never seen a list of specific items to be cut, adding up to a specific amount. They refuse to answer that one.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Riot

I have seen the entire GOP talk about "spending cuts", but I have never seen a list of specific items to be cut, adding up to a specific amount. They refuse to answer that one.

cut defense , medicare by 20% across the board

get rid of the dept of labor , education , agriculture

raise the retirement age on ssi to 70

requre all new gov't employees at all levels to contribute to their pension and to their healtcare

those are a start riot , what do you think ?

[Nascar1966]

Calling Pelosi a communist is being too nice to her.

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Originally Posted by gales0678

cut defense , medicare by 20% across the board

get rid of the dept of labor , education , agriculture

raise the retirement age on ssi to 70

requre all new gov't employees at all levels to contribute to their pension and to their healtcare

those are a start riot , what do you think ?

I think the above is more generalized political babble.

Show me what particular 20% part of Medicare you're going to eliminate (what actual services you are taking away, and from whom) Name the services and the amount.

Same with defense.

You get rid of the Dept of Labor, Education and Agriculture (and give me a plan for doing it) what do you do with the disaster that immediately ensues from the programs that are - poof - gone?

I like the last one. How much? Give some dollar amounts.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think the above is more generalized political babble.

Show me what particular 20% part of Medicare you're going to eliminate (what actual services you are taking away, and from whom) Name the services and the amount.

Same with defense.

You get rid of the Dept of Labor, Education and Agriculture (and give me a plan for doing it) what do you do with the disaster that immediately ensues from the programs that are - poof - gone?

I like the last one. How much? Give some dollar amounts.

medicare / defense , across the board cuts in all areas by 20% it's that simple

everyone on meidcare shares the pain - providers and recipients

defense - cut back on some new weapons , let go some overhanging fruit in the military - it can be done i
m sure

larbor and education are not needed they can be run on the state level with no federal dollars , i wouldn't totally phaze out agriculture but i am sure it could be trimmed 25 % or more


as for new employees - they all would be required to fund their pensions with a minimum of 8% of their salary with an additional funding to pay for their healtcare costs - ie no free ride , every check you get hit with a payment for your medical and dental

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by gales0678

medicare / defense , across the board cuts in all areas by 20% it's that simple

everyone on meidcare shares the pain - providers and recipients

defense - cut back on some new weapons , let go some overhanging fruit in the military - it can be done i
m sure

larbor and education are not needed they can be run on the state level with no federal dollars , i wouldn't totally phaze out agriculture but i am sure it could be trimmed 25 % or more


as for new employees - ty all would be required to fund their pensions with a minimum of 8% of their salary with an additional funding to pay for their healtcare costs - ie no free ride , every check you get hit with a payment for your medical and dental

I agree with you about no free rides for people who want health insurance. Im putting my son through college right now. Why should my money that I earn go to support someone else. Is anyone going to help me pay to put my son through college?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I agree with you about no free rides for people who want health insurance. Im putting my son through college right now. Why should my money that I earn go to support someone else. Is anyone going to help me pay to put my son through college?

i would help but serling's been cold lately and i have no extra cash

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Calling Pelosi a communist is being too nice to her.

Not really fair to Commies either!

[Riot]

medicare / defense , across the board cuts in all areas by 20% it's that simple

No, it's not that simple.

Which particular services are you going to put into that 20% and take way to save money? They have to be named. Echocardiograms? Pap smears? Serum chemistries for monitoring of liver function when the patient is on a NSAID?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

I agree with you about no free rides for people who want health insurance. Im putting my son through college right now. Why should my money that I earn go to support someone else. Is anyone going to help me pay to put my son through college?

I assume you'll only consider a private college, right?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, it's not that simple.

Which particular services are you going to put into that 20% and take way to save money? They have to be named. Echocardiograms? Pap smears? Serum chemistries for monitoring of liver function when the patient is on a NSAID?

i would simply fund medicare at 80% of what it currently gets ,how is that not simple eneough

there would be 20% less dollars spent on echocardiograms , pap smears , etc etc etc