luka$$ fading

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

now you wanna come at me personally mike(oracle)? you really dont wanna go that route when it comes to "morals". i dont care whether luka$$ wins or loses a 100 races in row the guys still a pr ick at the end of the day. hmmmmmm nobody had no comment bout him being a self cenetered a$ shole and talking the owners into running TCAS in the derby.........gee i wonder why. you also mentioned jordan whos arguably the most successful and greatest athlete ever and played in the city i hailed from. i loved watchin the guy on the court as much as any1 but hes also a cheat off the court amongst other things. just because you got prior success and money doesnt make you a saint as a person.......lol were some of you part of the jury during the oj trial?


hey debbie you really think antley ditched his wife and his unborn? cmon, you get blinded that easily? chris was murdered and the guy you got the hots for gary stevens pretty much believes the same thing amongst other people. allen jerkins is still getting the job done, we had a trainer in a wheelchair saddle a horse in the derby this year and you people wanna use age as a excuse for his decline in his particular profession? of course d wayne dont care how good or bad he does, its not his millions getting flushed down the toilet.


luka$$' comments after "jockey" appeared on hbo just restated how much of a pri ck he is in saying he wouldnt feel sorry for shane sellers or any other jockey who drives 2 mercedes. well without those jocks d wayne dont feel sorry for he wins zero races and doesnt achieve the money and fame he did. you guys can talk 2 me till your blue in your collective faces about him, hes still a a$$hole

lol, i mention a guy is good looking, and now i have the hots for him? and that means i think he's sherlock holmes or something? or that because he can ride a horse he knows more than the cops? nah, that guy said RHT was one of the best he ever rode. that's enough to tell me not to believe much of what he says.....
and yes, i do think CA ditched his family. he was an addict, and he wasn't strong enough to overcome it. do i think he intended to DIE? no. but his actions led to his demise, to his wife being a widow, and his child born already half an orphan. saving a horse no more makes antley a hero than running thousand yard seasons made oj a good person!
and i KNEW richi would show up in this thread.
funny, i was just reading in bloodhorse about the rampant steroid use by so many trainers.
as for hendricks..a lot of trainers get the good horse. that's luck. lukas had a ton of them, that's skill.

also, i must be an *******, i don't feel bad for drivers of two mercedes either.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Whatever, the guy reinvented training as we know it, shipping to all spots, etc.
Henning, Bradshaw, Barnett, Maker, McLaughlin, Stewart, and Pletcher all went to D Wayne U.

I don't think it's a positive that he 'reinvented training'. Whittingham, Stephens, Luro, et. al. trained horses they knew and understood, not 'units' in one of several stables around the country. Lukas was best as a scout and a manager - pick out the athletes and smooze the owners, figure out the line-up. His assistants trained the horses.

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

I don't think it's a positive that he 'reinvented training'. Whittingham, Stephens, Luro, et. al. trained horses they knew and understood, not 'units' in one of several stables around the country. Lukas was best as a scout and a manager - pick out the athletes and smooze the owners, figure out the line-up. His assistants trained the horses.

Funny, they must not feel that way. I know Pletcher and McLaughlin use a white bridle as a tribute to the old boss.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

lol, i mention a guy is good looking, and now i have the hots for him? and that means i think he's sherlock holmes or something? or that because he can ride a horse he knows more than the cops? nah, that guy said RHT was one of the best he ever rode. that's enough to tell me not to believe much of what he says.....
and yes, i do think CA ditched his family. he was an addict, and he wasn't strong enough to overcome it. do i think he intended to DIE? no. but his actions led to his demise, to his wife being a widow, and his child born already half an orphan. saving a horse no more makes antley a hero than running thousand yard seasons made oj a good person!
and i KNEW richi would show up in this thread.
funny, i was just reading in bloodhorse about the rampant steroid use by so many trainers.
as for hendricks..a lot of trainers get the good horse. that's luck. lukas had a ton of them, that's skill.

also, i must be an *******, i don't feel bad for drivers of two mercedes either.

I live here in Cali and the whole C.A. thing is old, the whole time Chris was on T.V. being interviewed about him kicking his "demons" after he won the Derby was such crap its unreal . I was at a party that he was at about a week after he won the Preakness , the guy was so ripped when he walked in the door that he was there 5 mins and started a fight with Matt Garcia over some 17 yr. old girl that he thought was his "date".
That being said, I do believe Chris met with foul play regarding his death, there were just to many things that didnt make sense and not nearly enough investigating of the people that were on his property when he was found
dead.
As for Lukas , you can respect him for his ability to get one ready and ruin one quicker than anybody , nobody has ever done a finer job.

Originally Posted by Honu

I live here in Cali and the whole C.A. thing is old, the whole time Chris was on T.V. being interviewed about him kicking his "demons" after he won the Derby was such crap its unreal . I was at a party that he was at about a week after he won the Preakness , the guy was so ripped when he walked in the door that he was there 5 mins and started a fight with Matt Garcia over some 17 yr. old girl that he thought was his "date".
That being said, I do believe Chris met with foul play regarding his death, there were just to many things that didnt make sense and not nearly enough investigating of the people that were on his property when he was found
dead.
As for Lukas , you can respect him for his ability to get one ready and ruin one quicker than anybody , nobody has ever done a finer job.

Honu!!! great to see you here! Honu I wasnt defending Lukas' breaking down horses. BUt I was a littel sickened about the wishing bad luck part. Guy suffers every day over Jeff. That was what lit my fire. I'm not saying he is St. Wayne.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Honu!!! great to see you here! Honu I wasnt defending Lukas' breaking down horses. BUt I was a littel sickened about the wishing bad luck part. Guy suffers every day over Jeff. That was what lit my fire. I'm not saying he is St. Wayne.

Hey Oracle, I would never wish bad luck on anyone , well excpet for the jerks that broke into my car and stole my 2003 breeders cup jacket.
Wayne Lukas has accomplished alot of things that most likely wont be repeated in my lifetime......still doesnt mean I like the way he trains,thats just me.
To wish someone bad luck is inviting your own karma.

Originally Posted by Honu

Hey Oracle, I would never wish bad luck on anyone , well excpet for the jerks that broke into my car and stole my 2003 breeders cup jacket.
Wayne Lukas has accomplished alot of things that most likely wont be repeated in my lifetime......still doesnt mean I like the way he trains,thats just me.
To wish someone bad luck is inviting your own karma.

Honu,
When I was younger and stupid, I was stewing over someone and wishing them bad luck. My very wise mentor, a trainer, looked at me and said "Mike, you don't ever have to wish someone bad in life. If they are truly a bad guy they will dig their own hole, and the Lord will help them dig". I never forgot that, ever. And its a good lesson.

"Mike, you don't ever have to wish someone bad in life. If they are truly a bad guy they will dig their own hole, and the Lord will help them dig"


Finally someone offers an explanation as to why Lukas has hit the SHI#$ER over the last few years.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Someone I know in the industry can't stand Lukas.

He told me a story about one of his friends and a fellow owner sending a horse to D. Wayne.

He asked they guy, "Why in the world would you send a horse to Lukas.?"

The guy said,

"Hey, say all you want about Lukas. But the simple fact is that with him training one you find out what you have really quick.

It doesn't seem like Lukas will string owners along and milk the day rates under the guise of "taking care of the horse." He will run the **** out of them, and if they can't cut it, it's time to get rid of them.

At least you know what kind of horse you have with this guy. If your horse sucks, you will know it soon enough."

I'm not sure if this is right or not, but just an alternative opinion.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

yeah jeff a good friend does point out a friends faults 2 him or her but i stated a opinion my own and personally i dont feel its off base like you and some others think. debbie lol i was teasin ya bout gary but after chris died he also felt his life was threatened and hired personal body guards. ive already stated my opinions and nobody wanted 2 reply to this 1 but the comments luka$$ made after jockey confirmed to me that he will never change from being a self centered a$ s hole, all he cares about is himself

[Crown@club]

Actually I like the little jabs. And I don't really care how you feel about Lukas. There's a certain trainer I can't stand, and I won't mention about him here. But as for referencing Lukas as Luka$$, this belongs back on the Espn Boards not here

[bogeydaman]

[quote=seconditis]Asmussen, Pletcher and others have just as many horses and 1/10th of the amount of horses breaking down as D.Wayne has over the years.

I agree with the Lukas "doubters" on this thread. I would not however use Pletcher as the poster child. I am a So Fla. local who has been going to Gulfstream Park 10x per meet for the past 15 years. When he first "separated" from Lukas he had a "significant" number of horses break down his 1st couple years training at Gulfstream. I can honestly say that I have seen more TP horses break down live than any other trainer (including the 5K claiming garbage I get at Calder the rest of the year). That being said for the most recentl years, I would say his record has been pretty astounding (for not destroying horses that is). Maybe he has wisened over the years (and is taking strides to be more conservative with his stock than his prior boss).


I am a data guy and unfortunately don't have any data to back the TP historical statements above up. Take them as you will.