Best horses of the 1980's by division - Page 3

The Indomitable DrugS · #41 11-12-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

You are seriously in need of help if you think SBD should be ahead of Lakeway, Inside Information and even Sardula.

Also, Gentlemen, on one of his good days, KILLS Criminal Type.

Barbaro absolutely is one of the best 3yos of the past decade.

Why no Uncle Mo for 2yos? 2010?

Silverbulletday was an awesome 3-year-old filly through summer and with a hard campaign. Lakeway, II, and Sardula all were plauged with issues at age 3.

Gentlemen was outstanding - I suppose he wasn't retired soon enough, his brillance did decline and it got to the point where he was a DNF in the BC Classic - a race his owner paid a forture to supplament him into. Criminal Type slayed some dragons.

Barbaro's 3-year-old season doesn't hold a candle to horses like Bernardini, Point Given, and Tiznow. Yeah, Barbaro beat Great Point and Sharp Humor at GP - and he blew out a very weak Derby field in his only real impressive performance at age 3. The fact that the champion 3yo eclipse vote with Bernardini - which he didn't win - wasn't even that close should be telling.

Yes - no Uncle Mo beacuse he's 2010.

RolloTomasi · #42 11-12-2010, 10:50 AM

What were Forty Niner's numbers like at 2? IIRC, he lost his debut and won 5 or 6 straight, culminating with the Champagne.

The Indomitable DrugS · #43 11-12-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

What were Forty Niner's numbers like at 2? IIRC, he lost his debut and won 5 or 6 straight, culminating with the Champagne.

Pretty solid - he was one I considered. Not going to the West Coast for the Breeders Cup hurt his case. He actually wasn't favored in a 2yo stakes race until his final start - when he took the '87 Breeders Futurity by a nose over Hey Pat at 2/5.

I honestly remember very little from 80's racing mostly outside of SS and EG. You had a lot of cool 2yo's in that '89 year. Grand Canyon was insane in his two races after losing the BC in a race which he arguably was best in. Summer Squall - I was very surprised how good he was at age 2. Champagne For Ashley had a freaky form and real good numbers - but facing 80's NY Breds really dampens any idea that he was a monster.

Easy Goer ran a 118 Beyer in the Champagne at age 2. The horse who was 3rd by almost 20 lengths came back and won a Grade 1 500K 2yo stakes race next time out at 15/1. Is It True got thumped in 2nd - and he won the BC Juvie next out. I think it's easy to forgive EG's Breeders Cup defeat when you consider by far his worst number at age 3 came at CD over a similar wet racetrack.

Indian Charlie · #44 11-12-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Barbaro's 3-year-old season doesn't hold a candle to horses like Bernardini, Point Given, and Tiznow. Yeah, Barbaro beat Great Point and Sharp Humor at GP - and he blew out a very weak Derby field in his only real impressive performance at age 3. The fact that the champion 3yo eclipse vote with Bernardini - which he didn't win - wasn't even that close should be telling.

Did you really just use an Eclipse vote to justify your position?

The Indomitable DrugS · #45 11-12-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Did you really just use an Eclipse vote to justify your position?

Bernardini was a better 3yo than Barbaro. This can't be disputed.

Indian Charlie · #46 11-12-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Bernardini was a better 3yo than Barbaro. This can't be disputed.

Yes it can.

One had time to develop. The other one died.

Sightseek · #47 11-12-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Barbaro's 3-year-old season doesn't hold a candle to horses like Bernardini, Point Given, and Tiznow. Yeah, Barbaro beat Great Point and Sharp Humor at GP - and he blew out a very weak Derby field in his only real impressive performance at age 3. The fact that the champion 3yo eclipse vote with Bernardini - which he didn't win - wasn't even that close should be telling.

Yes - no Uncle Mo beacuse he's 2010.

That was a Hall of Fame field compared to the last few Derbies!

The Indomitable DrugS · #48 11-12-2010, 12:25 PM

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That was a Hall of Fame field compared to the last few Derbies!

I don't think Steppenwolfer and Jazil ever got through their alw conditions... but yeah, a few recent Derby fields have really sucked.

Dahoss · #49 11-12-2010, 12:41 PM

I don't think she should be included, but a 3 year old Filly that always gets forgotten is Yanks Music. It wasn't easy to run down Serena's Song, but Yanks Music did it twice in the span of a few weeks in th Ruffian and Beldame. She also won the Mother Goose (over Escena and Bernardini's dam Cara Rafaela) and the Alabama and was beat a nose in the Acorn after a tough trip.

She wasn't great, but really good and had a real solid 3 year old year.

Sightseek · #50 11-12-2010, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't think Steppenwolfer and Jazil ever got through their alw conditions... but yeah, a few recent Derby fields have really sucked.

You can never take away that grand day when Jazil won the Belmont.

tector · #51 11-12-2010, 01:14 PM

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You can never take away that grand day when Jazil won the Belmont.

We've had some real crappy horses win the Belmont. Commendable and Sarava come to mind.

RolloTomasi · #52 11-12-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Pretty solid - he was one I considered. Not going to the West Coast for the Breeders Cup hurt his case. He actually wasn't favored in a 2yo stakes race until his final start - when he took the '87 Breeders Futurity by a nose over Hey Pat at 2/5.

It should be noted that Forty Niner's Breeder's Futurity win came about 10 days after he won the Champagne.

Not sure why not running in the BC hurt's him. Ultimately, he didn't avoid anything by not running. Success Express won the race.

As proxy for a lost forum member, I think I should also mention King Glorious, who ran some fast races over the '89 season.

Rupert Pupkin · #53 11-12-2010, 08:01 PM

I'll give you a horse that may not be quite as accomplished as Ferdinand or Alysheba but when he ran his best, I think Lemhi Gold would have easily beaten either of those horses. He did win Champion Older Horse in 1982.

Lemhi Gold was an absolute freak when he fired. For those of you that have never seen him run, here is a replay of his win in the Grade I Marlboro Cup at Belmont:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovmxhqF-TJk

Indian Charlie · #54 11-12-2010, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'll give you a horse that may not be quite as accomplished as Ferdinand or Alysheba but when he ran his best, I think Lemhi Gold would have easily beaten either of those horses. He did win Champion Older Horse in 1982.

Lemhi Gold was an absolute freak when he fired. For those of you that have never seen him run, here is a replay of his win in the Grade I Marlboro Cup at Belmont:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovmxhqF-TJk

Those Vaguely Nobles sure could run.

Rupert Pupkin · #55 11-12-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Those Vaguely Nobles sure could run.

They were mainly turf horses but Lemhi Gold could run well on either surface.

dalakhani · #56 11-12-2010, 10:45 PM

High chaparrel
Islington
Orientate
Ashado
Candy ride
Vindication

RolloTomasi · #57 11-13-2010, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by monipenny

She foaled Giant's Causeway who of course won 11 Group 1 races and narrowly lost to our only repeat BC Classic winner Tiznow.

Giant's Causeway won a total of 9 races, not all of which were Group 1s, in his entire career.

You might single-handedly keep the red pen industry afloat in this time of economic crisis.

Rupert Pupkin · #58 11-13-2010, 02:21 AM

Another great horse was Perrault. He was a grade I winner on both the dirt and the grass. You don't see too many horses these days winning grade I races on both the dirt and the grass.

Here is the famous 1982 Santa Anita Handicap where Perrault beat John Henry by a nose and got disqualified. I think the calll was correct. The head-on shows that Perrault came out several paths in the stretch and made contact with John Henry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c9gre1rB88

RolloTomasi · #59 11-13-2010, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by monipenny

Oh, thanks for correcting my post. That was off the top of my head, but i'm sure u spent countless minutes trying to research and refute my inaccuracies. How sad. It just proves that u are busted, disgusted, and maybe not to be trusted. Have a great day your royal sir.

Off the top of your head? You mean, "over your head".

"Countless minutes". "My inaccuracies" (as though you're OK with them being a staple of your posts).

Priceless stuff.

Going back to Indian Charlie's post on another thread:

"...But there's cause for Concern!"

keithting · #60 11-13-2010, 07:07 AM

Overskate was a great Canadian champion who race primarily in the late 70's, but did win the Jacques Cartier, Jockey Club Cup and the Eclipse Handicaps in 1980.

Also, the filly Goodbye Halo had a gem of a 3-yr old season for Charlie Whittingham back in 1988.