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[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

rupert..you strictly a 2YO guy or do you shop yearlings as well? Just curious.

We buy some yearlings but I am not involved in picking the yearlings. I have no expertise in picking yearlings

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I fell for this horse after re-watching his debut race a few times, and he just keeps on impressing me. It's just too bad that he and Scat Daddy were coupled yesterday, instead of separate entries.
I was worried when Bejarano got hurt that the new jock might screw this horse up, but when Gomez jumped on, I was relieved.
I'm just excited to see a horse that reminds me (and so many others) of Afleet Alex with his push-button speed and modest pedigree.

If someone other than Prime Ruler wins the Del Mar Futurity, CQ will be your early odds-on favorite for the 2007 Kentucy Derby futures when they come out next month (for better or worse).

Prime Ruler is a very good horse. I have been watching this one since the Barretts May sale because his workout was so good. I was very happy with the way he broke his maiden. I am inexperienced in this sort of thing, but my skills may just be pretty good. Prime Ruler is one of the reasons that I said that Orientate was going to become a major sire earlier in the year. I still stand by this statement.

IMO, Orientate's best workout horse from the Barretts sales has yet to start. In fact, this one is my second favorite workout horse that I have seen besides the Red Bullet colt (although I haven't nearly seen them all). I expect that this Orientate will become a stakes horse if he makes it to the track. I am very confident in him. His gallop is a thing of real beauty.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Prime Ruler is a very good horse. I have been watching this one since the Barretts May sale because his workout was so good. I was very happy with the way he broke his maiden. I am inexperienced in this sort of thing, but my skills may just be pretty good. Prime Ruler is one of the reasons that I said that Orientate was going to become a major sire earlier in the year. I still stand by this statement.

IMO, Orientate's best workout horse from the Barretts sales has yet to start. In fact, this one is my second favorite workout horse that I have seen besides the Red Bullet colt (although I haven't nearly seen them all). I expect that this Orientate will become a stakes horse if he makes it to the track. I am very confident in him. His gallop is a thing of real beauty.

Albertrani has an Orientate that should win easily next time. I don't remember the horse's name but she ran 3rd in her debut and lost by less than a length going 7 furlongs at Saratoga. It's very tough to win going 7 furlongs first-time out. She was just a little short. I wish she would have won. I had a big bet on her and she was about 12-1. She was from the Barrett's sale too. She was Hip #64. She worked :10 1/5 but she could have gone even faster. She didn't start running her hardest until the jock hit her half-way through the work. You can actually see her accelerate after she gets hit in the middle of the work. If she would have been all out from the start, she would have gone :9 4/5 or :10.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Albertrani has an Orientate that should win easily next time. I don't remember the horse's name but she ran 3rd in her debut and lost by less than a length going 7 furlongs at Saratoga. It's very tough to win going 7 furlongs first-time out. She was just a little short. I wish she would have won. I had a big bet on her and she was about 12-1. She was from the Barrett's sale too. She was Hip #64. She worked :10 1/5 but she could have gone even faster. She didn't start running her hardest until the jock hit her half-way through the work. You can actually see her accelerate after she gets hit in the middle of the work. If she would have been all out from the start, she would have gone :9 4/5 or :10.

I know the horse you mean and I agree. That one should win next out easily. Looked green and should gallop at Belmont.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I know the horse you mean and I agree. That one should win next out easily. Looked green and should gallop at Belmont.

I can't figure out why he ran her 7 furlongs first-time out. She has a lot of speed. That's not the kind of horse that you would normally run that disatnce. I don't know why he didn't run her 5 1/2 furlongs.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I can't figure out why he ran her 7 furlongs first-time out. She has a lot of speed. That's not the kind of horse that you would normally run that disatnce. I don't know why he didn't run her 5 1/2 furlongs.

Rupert, I never get on a guy for losing with a firster, no matter who he or she is.
Albertrani learned a lot from Mott. Although Mott has been much better with 1sters the last 3 years or so, he still doesnt pound on em. I assume Albertrani incorporates what he learned from Mott in his training. It sure didn't seem to hurt Bernadini to lose his debut. A lot trainers like to have a horse fit enough to run its debut and get something out of it, but not cranked up so much that it has to win.
I think its a pretty good way to start em out personally. Perhaps he thinks the horse has enough quality to be really good going longer and wanted to put foundation into the horse to do that. Those really short sprints at 5 1/2 often have blistering paces and I'm not real sure that horses always get a lot out of battling a wicked pace or chasing one.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Rupert, I never get on a guy for losing with a firster, no matter who he or she is.
Albertrani learned a lot from Mott. Although Mott has been much better with 1sters the last 3 years or so, he still doesnt pound on em. I assume Albertrani incorporates what he learned from Mott in his training. It sure didn't seem to hurt Bernadini to lose his debut. A lot trainers like to have a horse fit enough to run its debut and get something out of it, but not cranked up so much that it has to win.
I think its a pretty good way to start em out personally. Perhaps he thinks the horse has enough quality to be really good going longer and wanted to put foundation into the horse to do that. Those really short sprints at 5 1/2 often have blistering paces and I'm not real sure that horses always get a lot out of battling a wicked pace or chasing one.

I think you're probably right. He probably wanted to teach the filly the right way to run. A horse doesn't learn much by getting gunned in a 5 furlong race.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think you're probably right. He probably wanted to teach the filly the right way to run. A horse doesn't learn much by getting gunned in a 5 furlong race.

I agree. You can't really teach a horse much in a race less than 6f. Its not the distance they are running, its the pace they are running at. At 6f or longer they don't all come out screaming and whipping and hustling. Pace is more realistic and more like what they will face the rest of their careers in races. Those short ones usually produce crazy paces and everyone has to scream and push hard just to keep up. And if you use one that short as a prep race, the problem is that they can be beaten 20 lengths and come out of the race with a negative view on racing, discouraged by the race.
A trainer i respect who has won hsi share of huge races told me that horses always remember the first race they ever run on the track more than any other. He said if they have a bad experience in their first race that they often never like racing or that it takes a long time to get them to like it.
Chasing or setting a wicked pace and getting beat a bunch of lengths probably isn't a whole lot of fun.
He also said if they learn early that they are supposed to gun themselves as soon as the gate opens that its very hard to correct that as well.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Albertrani has an Orientate that should win easily next time. I don't remember the horse's name but she ran 3rd in her debut and lost by less than a length going 7 furlongs at Saratoga. It's very tough to win going 7 furlongs first-time out. She was just a little short. I wish she would have won. I had a big bet on her and she was about 12-1. She was from the Barrett's sale too. She was Hip #64. She worked :10 1/5 but she could have gone even faster. She didn't start running her hardest until the jock hit her half-way through the work. You can actually see her accelerate after she gets hit in the middle of the work. If she would have been all out from the start, she would have gone :9 4/5 or :10.

Thanks for the heads up on her Rupert. I didn't know where she was and she was one of the one's on my list along with a few from Keeneland and Calder. That was a very tough spot to put her in first time out. If I had race horses, I would want mine starting at 5 1/2 if at all possible. I also liked Hip #165 (Orientate) from that same Barretts sale that she was in. I liked Hip #64 a lot better than Hip #67 even though Hip #67 went faster than her. And of course, I liked Hip #103 from the May sale.

At Keeneland, my favorite of the Orientate's was Hip #12. He was a more powerful and longer strided horse than the fillies by Orientate. I didn't like Hip #153 at all, but Hip #9 (although she switched leads late) and Hip #169 could do something on the track.

At the Fasig-Tipton Calder Training Sale, I liked Hip #147 and Hip #63 the best of the Orientates. I would have liked hip #113, although he looked very uncomfortable on his front end, and had a high head carriage. HIP #295 was okay, but I really don't expect much from that one. I didn't like HIP #122, #151, or #207.

Still, as good as some of these other Orientate's workouts were and as pretty as some of them gallop, they don't compare to HIP #8 at the March Barretts sale. I could be wrong, but it is my opinion. I am very high on that horse .