bellamy road was retired

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Can't make a pool on my decency and character ...

... because no matter how high the bar is set ... "Over" wins every time.

Stevie Wonderboy, Barbaro, Bellamy Road, Rockport Harbor...you've mocked them all. It's sick, at least to me, that you find it funny when horses sustain injury. Forgive me if I fail to find the humor in it, and also fail to see any redeeming quality in your character.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Flower Alley, while a very good horse, never showed the kind of raw talent that Bellamy Road showed. That horse was awesome when he wasn't hurting.

So he was awesome a grand total of once and that makes him "great"? We sure have lowered the bar.

He was a talented horse for sure but I have to question the term "great" when used to describe him.

[Danzig]

apparently you missed all the talk about candy rides greatness after he beat MDO in his last start...


oh, and just saw that bellamy road is going to hurricane hall, a new operation in ky, and will stand for 10k. best of luck to him. afraid he's going to need it. but then, they all do.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

apparently you missed all the talk about candy rides greatness after he beat MDO in his last start...


oh, and just saw that bellamy road is going to hurricane hall, a new operation in ky, and will stand for 10k. best of luck to him. afraid he's going to need it. but then, they all do.

Yes, in an unrestricted Pacific Classic and that MDO was a multiple graded stake winner at 3 and 4 that got made to look rather ordinary. Thats a whole lot different than beating scrappy t wouldnt you say?

Originally Posted by BellamyRd.

Stevie Wonderboy, Barbaro, Bellamy Road, Rockport Harbor...you've mocked them all.

Please document any one of those ignorant assertions ... with one of my actual posts.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yes, in an unrestricted Pacific Classic and that MDO was a multiple graded stake winner at 3 and 4 that got made to look rather ordinary. Thats a whole lot different than beating scrappy t wouldnt you say?

yeah, a bit different. of course scrappy finished second that year in the preakness too.....

and volponi beat mdo....so did sarava. he was rather ordinary IMO.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

yeah, a bit different. of course scrappy finished second that year in the preakness too.....

and volponi beat mdo....so did sarava. he was rather ordinary IMO.

I dont think MDO was "great" by any means but he was certainly a more accomplished horse than...Bellamy Road. And although he did lose to sarava and volponi he managed to win a few nice races along the way including the Donn and the travers.

MDO was a good horse and a monster at 9F.

[Danzig]

yeah, true...just wish bellamy had been handled more ably. hate to see any horse not be able to show his stuff due to ineptitude. and we're supposed to be the intelligent species...

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

So he was awesome a grand total of once and that makes him "great"? We sure have lowered the bar.

He was a talented horse for sure but I have to question the term "great" when used to describe him.

Of course he can't be considered a great horse! He didn't race long enough or do enough. However, he was extremely talented. He was awesome more than once. Did you see some of his races prior to the Wood?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Of course he can't be considered a great horse! He didn't race long enough or do enough. However, he was extremely talented. He was awesome more than once. Did you see some of his races prior to the Wood?

i would hardly classify any of those races as "awesome". Nothing earth shattering.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

i would hardly classify any of those races as "awesome". Nothing earth shattering.

His Wood performance was certainly "earth-shattering".

Originally Posted by dalakhani

i would hardly classify any of those races as "awesome". Nothing earth shattering.

I guess it depends on how easily you're awed ... or if you live on a earthquake fault.

Apparently you didn't see his Travers, which anyone with a true understanding of the game and circumstances knows:
It was not the trainers fault that he had to run there.
The horse was coming off an injury and a layoff and had FOUR breezes, none longer than 5f for his race preparation.
He lost to eventual BCC runner up Flower Alley who was razor sharp at the time.
He beat the rest of the field by a city block. Including Rooman Ruler who had just won the haskell and returned off that race to run RHT to a length.

I won't go into it again. If you follow the game and really know what you are seeing, his Travers will always remain one of the most incredible efforts of raw talent and guts that you will ever see on a racetrack.
If you don't follow the game and don't understand what you are seeing or anything about training and preparation as it relates to performance, then you don't get it and most likely never will.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

His Wood performance was certainly "earth-shattering".

No Rupert, she was referring to BR's races BEFORE the Wood. The Wood was one of the most dominant preps ive ever seen. But before that, he didnt do anything to numb the senses.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Apparently you didn't see his Travers, which anyone with a true understanding of the game and circumstances knows:
It was not the trainers fault that he had to run there.
The horse was coming off an injury and a layoff and had FOUR breezes, none longer than 5f for his race preparation.
He lost to eventual BCC runner up Flower Alley who was razor sharp at the time.
He beat the rest of the field by a city block. Including Rooman Ruler who had just won the haskell and returned off that race to run RHT to a length.

I won't go into it again. If you follow the game and really know what you are seeing, his Travers will always remain one of the most incredible efforts of raw talent and guts that you will ever see on a racetrack.
If you don't follow the game and don't understand what you are seeing or anything about training and preparation as it relates to performance, then you don't get it and most likely never will.

I appreciated the Travers effort for what it was. It was indeed a game effort and no one on this thread denied that the horse has talent. Was it mind blowing? Not from where i was sitting which was at the track. Why is it that when someone disagrees with your assessment suddenly they dont "get it"? Could someone possibly "get it" while disagreeing with you? Ponder that.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

No Rupert, she was referring to BR's races BEFORE the Wood. The Wood was one of the most dominant preps ive ever seen. But before that, he didnt do anything to numb the senses.

Another member of the "Horses are machines who should always run their best race with no regards to the circumstances" club. These folks can't be reasoned with or taught anything.

Perhaps you should look up his worktab for the mile and a quarter Travers against two very good and sharp horses at the time.
he had four slow breezes. I know what he had, I saw them all in person.
Horse wasn't really ready to run in anything except an allowance race.
What he did that day will always be appreciated by folks in the game.
After that Travers was over, the folks i watched it with, one a trainer and another an owner both screamed as I did, WHAT A FREAK!!!! And noone was talking about Flower Alley. I'm not gonna name drop about who i watched it with, doesnt really matter exactly who they are, but these were players who had no affiliation with either Bellamy or Nick. One of em flat out dislikes Nick to be honest.
But after the race noone I was with could believe what he had done. Which was to set a very fast pressured pace in a mile and a quarter race off a layoff with only 4 slow breezes. And he actually fought back at Flower when passed and galloped out ahead of him immediately after the wire. It was something i will never forget, seeing him take off after Flower even after the wire and pass him.
If you couldnt appreciate that effort and its greatness, then you won't ever be able to appreciate any effort in its full perspective.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I appreciated the Travers effort for what it was. It was indeed a game effort and no one on this thread denied that the horse has talent. Was it mind blowing? Not from where i was sitting which was at the track. Why is it that when someone disagrees with your assessment suddenly they dont "get it"? Could someone possibly "get it" while disagreeing with you? Ponder that.

I'll take the consensus of three guys who have either trained or owned grade one horses over yours. With mine thrown in for good measure. The day I value your opinion over these guys is the day i take up tiddly winks.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Another member of the "Horses are machines who should always run their best race with no regards to the circumstances" club. These folks can't be reasoned with or taught anything.

Perhaps you should look up his worktab for the mile and a quarter Travers against two very good and sharp horses at the time.
he had four slow breezes. I know what he had, I saw them all in person.
Horse wasn't really ready to run in anything except an allowance race.
What he did that day will always be appreciated by folks in the game.
After that Travers was over, the folks i watched it with, one a trainer and another an owner both screamed as I did, WHAT A FREAK!!!! And noone was talking about Flower Alley. I'm not gonna name drop about who i watched it with, doesnt really matter exactly who they are, but these were players who had no affiliation with either Bellamy or Nick. One of em flat out dislikes Nick to be honest.
But after the race noone I was with could believe what he had done. Which was to set a very fast pressured pace in a mile and a quarter race off a layoff with only 4 slow breezes. And he actually fought back at Flower when passed and galloped out ahead of him immediately after the wire. It was something i will never forget, seeing him take off after Flower even after the wire and pass him.
If you couldnt appreciate that effort and its greatness, then you won't ever be able to appreciate any effort in its full perspective.

since when is the Travers run BEFORE the Wood? LOL

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

His Wood performance was certainly "earth-shattering".

You mean the fastest triple crown prep race in HISTORY on the sheets? nah, nothing earth shattering about that. LOL!!!

Originally Posted by dalakhani

since when is the Travers run BEFORE the Wood? LOL

Since when does it matter?
Rule number 1) When folks resort to semantics about minor details, it means that they have no real basis to defend their standpoint.