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Old 07-18-2011, 09:41 AM
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Speaking of bigotry and hate, did anybody watch Herman Cain on Faux News today with Chris Wallace?

This man is disgusting. He did do a nice job of digging his political grave deeper.
Bet his daughters are safe and free to marry who they want. Unlike the daughters of those wanting to build the mosque.

Is a porn store owner's freedom of speech violated when a community does not want his business?

BTW Their freedom to practice religion has never been infringed on as they have not been arrested, harmed or murdered unlike Christians in many of the countries they come from. Talk about bigotry and hate!
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Old 07-18-2011, 10:22 AM
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Bet his daughters are safe and free to marry who they want. Unlike the daughters of those wanting to build the mosque.

Is a porn store owner's freedom of speech violated when a community does not want his business?

BTW Their freedom to practice religion has never been infringed on as they have not been arrested, harmed or murdered unlike Christians in many of the countries they come from. Talk about bigotry and hate!
Interesting article on arranged marriages

http://www.professorshouse.com/Relat...lim-Religions/
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Old 07-18-2011, 11:14 AM
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Bet his daughters are safe and free to marry who they want. Unlike the daughters of those wanting to build the mosque.

Is a porn store owner's freedom of speech violated when a community does not want his business?

BTW Their freedom to practice religion has never been infringed on as they have not been arrested, harmed or murdered unlike Christians in many of the countries they come from. Talk about bigotry and hate!
a porn store owner always has freedom of speech. as for zoning laws, that's got nothing to do with speech rights.
freedom of religion on the other hand..if an area is zoned for whatever house of worship, regardless of denomination, they have every right to build there.

as for your last paragraph, that's the whole point. our country is supposed to be different, with anyone free to worship, or not worship, as they so choose-whether others like their religion or not.
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Interesting article on arranged marriages

http://www.professorshouse.com/Relat...lim-Religions/
"Consent of both husband and wife".

That matches what the grad students and other older Muslims I have met have said about it.
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Old 07-18-2011, 02:16 PM
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"Consent of both husband and wife".

That matches what the grad students and other older Muslims I have met have said about it.
And consistent with what the 12 year old said when marrying an 80 year old. Not sure about the 5 and 8 year olds. But hey there are mature 5 year olds I'm sure.

The muslim grad students you've met are very lucky!

Here are the results of a brief search of a single newspaper.

I know your disdain for getting into peoples' personal lives but when it saves lives it has to be done.

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The truth was worse than the lie.

Authorities and volunteers searching for a missing California teen thought she had been abducted by an Internet predator she met in a Facebook chat.

But the reality was far more troubling. Jessie Bender, a 13-year-old schoolgirl, was hiding from her parents because they were planning to pack her off to Pakistan for an arranged marriage to a total stranger, police said.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...#ixzz1STrl6DHW

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A fanatical Iraqi-born Muslim charged with killing his beautiful daughter because she wanted to live a normal American life whined yesterday that he ran her over by accident -- because he was concentrating on spitting at another woman.

Faleh Almaleki -- whose murder trial began in Phoenix -- sent his Jeep crashing into daughter Noor Almaleki, 20, on Oct. 20, 2009, in a parking lot after she left his abusive home to live with her boyfriend's family and refused an arranged marriage, officials said.

Prosecutors have called the woman's death an "honor killing," referring to a practice in some Islamic countries in which someone -- often a woman who is believed to have shamed the family -- is killed.
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A Pakistani construction worker in Italy beat his wife to death with a brick for opposing the arranged marriage of their daughter, triggering a wave of outrage among Italian politicians Monday.

The daughter, 20-year-old Nosheen Butt, was in turn beaten by her brother with a stick over the same issue and was hospitalized with a cranial trauma and a broken arm.

The family lived in Novi, near the northern city of Modena.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/interna...#ixzz1STsqOVXg


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A 12-year-old Saudi girl unexpectedly gave up her petition for divorce from an 80-year-old man her father forced her to marry in exchange for a dowry, Saudi media reported Tuesday.

Despite support from human rights lawyers and child welfare advocates, the girl and her mother, who originally sought the divorce, withdrew the case Monday in a court in Buraidah, in Al-Qasim province, newspapers said.

The girl told the court that her marriage to the man was done with her agreement, according to Okaz newspaper.

"I agree to the marriage. I have no objection. This is out of filial respect to my father and obedience to his wish," she said.

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Pakistani police crashed a bizarre wedding - to stop a 5-year-old girl from being married to a 7-year-old boy, authorities said yesterday.

Nisha, the bride, was in tears. She and her groom, Mohammad Waseem, were in traditional wedding clothes after a team of cops broke into the Muslim ceremony at a house in Karachi Thursday night.

About 100 guests were attending, said Deputy Superintendent of Police Malik Mazhar. The parents said the wedding had been arranged to end an eight-year feud between the two families, Express News TV reported.
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A devout Muslim woman from Pakistan who wed a fellow countryman who did not share her faith tried to stab him to death as he slept in their Staten Island home because she claimed he forced her to drink alcohol, eat pork and dress provocatively, officials said today.

Rabia Sarwar, 37, climbed onto her husband Sheikh Naseem’s chest around 3 a.m. yesterday and repeatedly slashed at his neck as he slept, officials said, screaming, "It’s time for you to die!"

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ON July 6, police say, a Pakistani named Chaudhry Rashid strangled his 25-year-old daughter San- deela Kanwal with a Bungee cord in her bedroom because she wanted to end her arranged marriage. This "honor killing" came not in Pakistan, but in Jonesboro, Ga. - a suburb 16 miles outside Atlanta.

At his arraignment, Rashid said through an Urdu interpreter that he was "not in the state of mind to talk because of the death of his daughter," but stated "I have done nothing wrong."
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...#ixzz1STu69xLo

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While the Sarwar case is sensational by dint of the role-reversal and the method of attempted murder (throat-slitting), it’s also pedestrian: Over the past two years, there have been about a dozen attempted or successful honor killings committed in the US.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...#ixzz1STuuDwCg
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Old 07-18-2011, 06:23 PM
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Dell, I'm sure you're doing a great job of justifying your hatred of Muslims to yourself.
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Dell, I'm sure you're doing a great job of justifying your hatred of Muslims to yourself.
The muslim, hindu etc etc men thank you as they backhand their daughters/WIVES. Wonder what their position is on gay marriage, arrranged or not????
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The muslim, hindu etc etc men thank you as they backhand their daughters/WIVES. Wonder what their position is on gay marriage, arrranged or not????
Dell, don't you think you've spent enough time giving examples of the fact that in many cultures, especially Muslim, Hindu and Jewish, women are/have been treated as subhuman? We all get that and have many times responded with indignation....nobody on this board feels any different. But your constant hammering away at this like you're the only one who cares and suggestions that others don't is more than a little insincere. It is more than obvious that you hate Islam, good for you...but implying that others accept any type of abuse to women, anywhere, anytime has become transparent...if you are so committed to the plight of women, I can give you the sites of many organizations that work to expose and hopefully someday eliminate same. You can start by becoming a supporter of Amnesty International.
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Old 07-19-2011, 03:29 PM
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Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post has finally been the first in the major media to stand up to Herman Cain's Muslim bigotry and call him for exactly what he is.

Robinson really reams Cain out, gloves off

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...hMI_story.html

Be sure you click on Ann Telnaes Herman Cain cartoon video on the lower left side of the page, too
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Dell, don't you think you've spent enough time giving examples of the fact that in many cultures, especially Muslim, Hindu and Jewish, women are/have been treated as subhuman? We all get that and have many times responded with indignation....

When someone posts, "glad she'll be OK" in response to a gang sexual attack by 40 men. I don't think so.

When someone posts "I hate haters more than anything" in response to the abuse, dehumanization and murder of women. I don't think so.

If I indeed had hate for Islam why again would I care about their women? And the comparing of Jewish men's treatment of Jewish women to Muslim men's treatment of their women is Cater/Riot esque!

Amnesty International is an anti-American/Israel farce. I wouldn't give them a dime.
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When someone posts, "glad she'll be OK" in response to a gang sexual attack by 40 men. I don't think so.
She is okay. Her very own words. In her television interview, she said the same things I was glad for her about - that she could have been killed, she was fortunate she wasn't. And now she has her life back.

Why you do deliberately keep saying I meant something I most certainly didn't, and that I told you was false the first time you said it? And many times since?

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When someone posts "I hate haters more than anything" in response to the abuse, dehumanization and murder of women. I don't think so.
Wrong. I said, "I hate haters more than anything" in a response to blatant Muslim bigotry on this list.

Don't blame me for your hate, jackass. And don't lie and say I condone abuse towards women.

BTW, you don't do actual crap for Muslim or Hindu women. You just read newspapers about it. Then you quote it to justify your bigotry. And you've only recently added Hindus.
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BTW, you don't do actual crap for Muslim or Hindu women. You just read newspapers about it. Then you quote it to justify your bigotry. And you've only recently added Hindus.
Simply recognizing there is a problem is far more than you do.

When you ignore it or even better try to justify it you become part of the problem. Good Luck with That
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Don't blame me for your hate, jackass. And don't lie and say I condone abuse towards women..
I didn't say you condone it. Jackass, you ignore, divert and thus allow it to continue unimpeded.

The only occasions I recall you posting anything in support of women is if/when they wanted to marry each other.
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Simply recognizing there is a problem is far more than you do.
Bullshit. I help abused women. You're just a Muslim bigot. You pretending to care about women is a joke. You only bring it up in a pathetic, futile effort to support your hate for Muslims. Your saying all Muslims and Hindi beat their women is just a bigoted lie by an idiot.
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Enough name-calling to go around....look, Dell if you really want to decry abuse of women, don't forget the barbarity of female circumcision. A torture imposed on countless young women throughout much of Africa and other third world countries many of which are CHRISTIAN! You are a slave to your hatred of Islam and act as if it's religion and not culture that holds many women down and subjects them to abuse. In this country, how many macho young men think nothing of slipping it into a girl with the mindset that it's somehow their right while a girl who has sex with more than one guy is considered a slut. No culture is completely fair to women, sure some are worse than others but until ALL people are treated with respect and dignity, some will be killed for "honor" some will be mutilated, others tortured and others denied the equality they deserve. The path to real respect is not littered with narrow minded hatred but illuminated by the light of tolerance, love and a realization that we are ALL children of a greater god!
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Bullshit. I help abused women. You're just a Muslim bigot. You pretending to care about women is a joke. You only bring it up in a pathetic, futile effort to support your hate for Muslims. Your saying all Muslims and Hindi beat their women is just a bigoted lie by an idiot.
You don't have a clue of what I've done for abused women! Muslim or not.

Very common to attack when you have no defense. Sad you continue with your head in the sand.

And never did I say ALL Muslims and Hindus beat their women so you just did what you accuse others of. Jackass!

BTW Somer, African christians who circumcise their women are more barbaric than the animals marrying off their daughters at 12 and younger. Sickening and being tolerant of and loving them won't do shiat!!!!
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You pretending to care about women is a joke. .


so you know Dell personally and know he doesnt do anything to help women?
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Lets ban Muslims from America and re-enact slavery so Uncle Tom Cain can do some real work.


Who's with me?



Don't worry, Herman. We'll get you a "team of experts" to help you plow those fields.
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You don't have a clue of what I've done for abused women! Muslim or not.
And you don't have a clue of what I've done for abused women, or how I feel about the subject. So I suggest that before you freely make up crap about what you imagine other posters feel, you take your documented and repeated Muslim bigotry and hate over to Islamophobia.com
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Lets ban Muslims from America and re-enact slavery so Uncle Tom Cain can do some real work.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...rKI_video.html
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