When "Neighborhood Watch" Gets Out of Hand

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...n_martin_.html

Good article.

In fairness to the village manager, however, the statement he released is the Police Chief's words, in answer to press questions, not the village managers (VM was on a TV program last night and clarified that). So it is the Police Chief saying he couldn't do an arrest, not the village manager. Which makes it even more screwed.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes. George Zimmerman is Hispanic.

Listening to the two slurs on the tape makes it clear the guy had a racist agenda and story already made up in his mind against someone he simply saw walking on the street.

Makes sense, not the name, not at all. My time in Florida taught me that the hispanics down there do not care much for black people at all.

[Riot]

Probably best to focus on George Zimmerman himself, not "races".

The tape has the,"the assholes always get away" comment, and the controversial (is it real? deleted by the PD? added later?) "f.u.c.k.ing coons" comment from Zimmerman, before he ever got out of the car and had physical contact with the kid he murdered.

All Zimmerman knew about the person he saw walking is that he thought he was black.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

George Zimmerman?

And here I though Ramsey Zimmerman was in trouble again...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Any hope this country was really mostly post-racial certainly has been disproven in a hundred different ways after the election of this president. It's a very thin veneer covering the hate.

I am at a loss as to why people thought that the election of a President would make people less biased or racist? Not to mention that this country hardly has a monopoly on racist people. Most conflicts in the world have a large element of race/religion involved

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am at a loss as to why people thought that the election of a President would make people less biased or racist?

I doubt anybody thought that. It's backwards.

The thought would be that the election of a mixed-race president could occur in the first place because enough voters were less biased or racist.

Not to mention that this country hardly has a monopoly on racist people. Most conflicts in the world have a large element of race/religion involved

Yeah, a shame, as this is the most free country in the world, created out of immigrants and mixed races. Too bad the hate and racism of some persists, even here. Look at the Christian Taliban here. Look at Rick Santorums current "preacher" problem, just like Rev. Wright, the preacher telling everyone not like him to get out of the USA. It's disgusting, their hate to non-what-they-are.

And that hate and racism and bigotry should be least tolerable in the United States than anywhere else on earth, according to our Constitution. Our whole existence here is founded upon, "All men are created equal".

Obama's election merely brought the racist and intolerating and bigoted out of their crypts, where we can point at them in disgust.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I doubt anybody thought that. It's backwards.

The thought would be that the election of a mixed-race president could occur in the first place because enough voters were less biased or racist.



Yeah, a shame, as this is the most free country in the world, created out of immigrants and mixed races. Too bad the hate and racism of some persists, even here. Look at the Christian Taliban here. Look at the Rick Santorums current "preacher" problem, just like Rev. Wright, the preacher telling everyone not like him to get out of the USA. It's disgusting, their hate to non-what-they-are. And that should be least tolerable in the United States than anywhere else on earth.

Yes and the racism of those immigrants isn't eliminated when they touch ground here.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yes and the racism of those immigrants isn't eliminated when they touch ground here.

True: Italian, Jewish, Irish, German, Mexican, Japanese, etc. Racists are racists.

But that doesn't mean we should tolerate that here. Racism is learned behaviour. Do you think we should tolerate racism in the United States?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

True: Italian, Jewish, Irish, German, Mexican, Japanese, etc. Racists are racists.

But that doesn't mean we should tolerate that here. Racism is learned behaviour. Do you think we should tolerate racism in the United States?

I believe that it is your right to be racist as long as you remain within the laws of the land. I wouldn't consider myself racist in the least and have disassociated myself at times of my life with those who are but sometimes the political correctness in this country gets completely out of hand.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe that it is your right to be racist as long as you remain within the laws of the land.

Of course it's one's "right" to be racist in the USA. Fully agree. The question was, do you think we should tolerate racism in the US?

Socially tolerating racism is a sure way to propogate it, IMO, as it's learned behaviour.

If one is with someone, and they say, "Hey, look at that ...... " (fill in any obviously hateful racial expletive) one has a choice on how to react.

I agree that political correctness can get out of hand here.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Of course it's one's "right" to be racist in the USA. Fully agree. The question was, do you think we should tolerate racism in the US?

Socially tolerating racism is a sure way to propogate it, IMO, as it's learned behaviour.

If one is with someone, and they say, "Hey, look at that ...... " (fill in any obviously hateful racial expletive) one has a choice on how to react.

It is difficult to not tolerate it to a degree because of the freedom as individuals that we have. The thing is that the country has made tremendous strides in this area yet we are often browbeaten into thinking that racism is still running rampant. As long as you have people with differences socially, economically, historically, culturally, etc you are going to have some biases and racism that will live on regardless.

[Riot]

And today's unbelievably moronic comment winner is Geraldo Rivera, who said today on Fox News:

Geraldo Rivera said Friday he would “bet money” that Trayvon Martin wouldn’t have been fatally shot if the teenager hadn’t been wearing a hoodie, and the Fox News host’s comments immediately drew a fierce response, with one critic branding him a “moron” on Twitter.

“I am urging the parents of black and Latino youngsters particularly to not let their children go out wearing hoodies,” Rivera said on “Fox & Friends.” “I think the hoodie is as much responsible for Trayvon Martin’s death as George Zimmerman was.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz1py97p2o0

Yeah. And men who wear shorts get raped? So don't wear shorts?

There is no facepalm large enough to describe this.

Hint, Geraldo: Treyvon was killed by a racist toting a gun and pursing a black man. His hoodie had nothing to do with it.

[bigrun]

Remember Geraldo the patriot in the Gulf War?

Pentagon seeks Geraldo Rivera's removal.

The Pentagon said Tuesday it is asking Fox News Channel to remove Geraldo Rivera from a posting with U.S. troops in Iraq where he was accused of disclosing unauthorized information."We have asked that he be removed and we are working with them to make that happen," Lt. Col. Dave Lapan said. He said the network had agreed.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...pentagon_x.htm

Has Geraldo issued an edict to the New England Patriots cautioning them about allowing Bill Belichick to wear his favorite sideline gear next season?

I now am convinced this whole case IS about race and the Sanford PD after all. Think of it this way. If Trayvon had been legally carrying, and Zimmerman was casually walking along (roles reversed), and the same thing happened, what would you have? Answer - a murdered innocent guy and another black guy in the pokey not likely to be heard from ever again.

Where is Zimmerman, by the way? Is he in Casey Anthony land? Is anyone speaking for him yet? If he's smart, he's long gone.


Ocala Mike

[bigrun]

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

I now am convinced this whole case IS about race and the Sanford PD after all. Think of it this way. If Trayvon had been legally carrying, and Zimmerman was casually walking along (roles reversed), and the same thing happened, what would you have? Answer - a murdered innocent guy and another black guy in the pokey not likely to be heard from ever again.

Now there are stories in various sources about three witnesses. Two that saw Zimmerman kneeling over an immobile Treyvon. And one that says Trayvon (100 pounds lighter than Zimmerman) was on top of Zimmerman, holding him down, while Zimmerman was screaming for help.

The police department dismissed the first two witnesses, and released Zimmerman based upon the third is the way the story is being told.

This is seriously crazy. Why isn't the guy simply arrested for manslaughter and booked, so the case will stop being tried in public, and associates of the case have to stop talking about it in public? What is wrong with this police department?

Where is Zimmerman, by the way? Is he in Casey Anthony land? Is anyone speaking for him yet? If he's smart, he's long gone.

Some lawyer, who only said he was a "representative", showed up and said Zimmerman is hiding in fear of his life.

[Riot]

How can any American human above the age of eight be this blindly ignorant? I guess it's the only way he can get media coverage now a days?

Geraldo Rivera doubled down on his incendiary comments about Trayvon Martin during a Friday appearance on "The O'Reilly Factor," saying that hoodies reminded people of criminals like the Unabomber and thus put them in danger.

The Fox News host caused a firestorm on Friday morning when he said that Martin was shot to death in part because he was wearing a hoodie. "I'll bet you money, if he didn't have that hoodie on, that nutty neighborhood watch guy wouldn't have responded in that violent and aggressive way," he said.

Instant outrage, and a fair amount of ridicule, followed. Rivera admitted that his own son told him he was ashamed of him. But he stood staunchly behind his comments when speaking to O'Reilly. The two began talking about New York's controversial "stop and frisk" laws, which disproportionately affect people of color. Rivera said he supported the laws, and then brought up hoodies again.

"I'm telling you, half of it is the way the young men look," he said. "...If a cop looks at three kids on the corner, and they've got those hoodies up -- and this is where I got in trouble with the Trayvon Martin case -- if they've got those hoodies up, and they're hanging out on the corner, the cops look at them and say, 'Hmm, hoodies. Who else wears hoodies? Everybody that ever stuck up a convenience store, D.B. Cooper, the guy that hijacked a plane, Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber...'"

O'Reilly said supportively that Rivera was merely trying to protect people.

"Parents, don't let your kids go out wearing these damn hoodies!" Rivera continued. He called the negative association with the clothing "repugnant" but said it was "reality."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1377014.html

[bigrun]

A Zimmerman attorney supposedly said he, zimmerman, has been mentoring a young black kid....

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

How can any American human above the age of eight be this blindly ignorant? I guess it's the only way he can get media coverage now a days?

Give Geraldo a break, been out of the limelight for awhile...what better way to surface on the national scene than an appearance on O'rielly and dive in head first...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Give Geraldo a break, been out of the limelight for awhile...what better way to surface on the national scene than an appearance on O'rielly and dive in head first...

True that Thank goodness Fox has it's own TV station. They can keep their own people visiting each others programs on Fox, so their people get "major media exposure"