The Breaking Romney Story

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

250K is not wealthy. Make it an even buck and I am on board.

no? 250k isn't gates/buffett wealthy, but it's wealthy nonetheless. compare it to the average wage in this country, or the median if you wish. besides, they don't pay that higher amount on the whole 250k. i'd love to have that problem....working on it!

[OldDog]

Biden made $379K last year, and he said he's middle-class.

So there you go.

[Riot]

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[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

I can't wait to see how Romney explains this. This guy blatantly lies more than any presidential candidate I've seen, even John Edwards. And the reason Romney is lying about this is so stupid ... it's simply so the Obama campaign can't nail him for outsourcing jobs to China, and to try avoiding to show his tax returns. He's denying he was CEO of Bain when Bain did nasty stuff.

Of course, when you can't run on your achievements as Governor of a state you didn't really live in, all that's left is, "I'm a good businessman". He was a good investment manager. He didn't develop companies - he created profit for investors. Different thing.

4:30 headlines: more outright proof Romney has lied:

POISON PEN: ROMNEY AT WORK DURING 'RETIREMENT
Signed Docs Show Romney Doing Bain Work

Romney Camp Last August: He Did Not Have 'Any Active Role In Any Way'

PANIC? Mitt Schedules Media Blitz
Interviews With Major Networks, CNN, Fox News... 'Mess'

Obama's Real Target

Dem Governor: McCain Saw Romney's Tax Files – And Chose Palin

How anyone avoids mentioning that the head of Obama's jobs council is Jeffrey Immelt and somehow this is a problem for Romney? A private citizen at the time of this egregious and evil outsourcing. When will the President be asked about this in an open forum?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no? 250k isn't gates/buffett wealthy, but it's wealthy nonetheless. compare it to the average wage in this country, or the median if you wish. besides, they don't pay that higher amount on the whole 250k. i'd love to have that problem....working on it!

Let's say you work in NYC, lots of people do that make over 250K. This family of 4 cannot afford to live in NYC so the move to Westchester, Rockland or NJ and commute. They also pay State (NY, NJ or both if you live in NJ) and NY city taxes on top of the highest federal tax rate. It costs anywhere from $350-$700 (that cannot be written off anymore) per month to take public transport from an outlying area to get to NYC. What are you left with? Middle class on a good day.
Wealthy is a lot more than 250K per year. If you live in Oklahoma, it is probably wealthy.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Biden made $379K last year, and he said he's middle-class.

So there you go.

yeah, well, that's what you get when you ask joe biden about something.

[Riot]

So Romney goes on multiple TV stations, and outright refuses to answer the questions. I'm sorry - when you are asked if you committed a felony, you say NO.

This, after his campaign today hired two more good, experienced Washington Republican media guys to help him.

This guy is toast. I can't believe he's so incompetent to be mucking up his campaign over nothing.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Let's say you work in NYC, lots of people do that make over 250K. This family of 4 cannot afford to live in NYC so the move to Westchester, Rockland or NJ and commute. They also pay State (NY, NJ or both if you live in NJ) and NY city taxes on top of the highest federal tax rate. It costs anywhere from $350-$700 (that cannot be written off anymore) per month to take public transport from an outlying area to get to NYC. What are you left with? Middle class on a good day.
Wealthy is a lot more than 250K per year. If you live in Oklahoma, it is probably wealthy.

and, yet another reason why using a national average can be difficult. in most parts of the country, 250k would be considered well above middle class. where i live, that wage would be in the very top of the top 1% of the state. but then, a few years back, if you made over 60k a year, you were in the top 2% of wage earners in arkansas. obviously nyc is an extreme, which is why i said consider median income...and there are a lot of people trying to get by in nyc with a lot less than the money you referenced.



edit~~ just visited slate to see if there was anything new, and saw this:


http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/..._bay_area.html


at 2k a week, that's 104k per year. so, if that's the average for new york, one could safely assume that is the middle, right? which means 250k is far above that. perhaps upper middle class? or maybe lower upper class! at any rate, far above average.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

How anyone avoids mentioning that the head of Obama's jobs council is Jeffrey Immelt and somehow this is a problem for Romney? A private citizen at the time of this egregious and evil outsourcing. When will the President be asked about this in an open forum?

Why haven't you started a thread about it?

[Riot]

Well, I don't think his new handlers gave him very good advice to avoid answering and try and attack Obama, because he's already being slammed anew about not acknowledging the truth by the media.

For god's sakes - does this guy not realize that campaigns have been lost for far less than a little white lie?

Fess up, man, and be done with it, take 48 hours of noise and heat, before October! You'll be hammered from here until eternity now that you chose not to answer after you scheduled the massive press availability!

My god, this is unbelievable. The GOP has good campaign operatives. Why is the GOP and RNC not helping this man? The national party is risking all downticket spots by abandoning Romney to the wolves and his own devices!

Mitt Romney told CBS News‘s Jan Crawford Friday evening that he did not attend Bain Capital meetings after he left the company in February of 1999 to run the Winter Olympics. But this answer appears to contradict sworn testimony he delivered in 2002 “as part of a hearing to determine whether he had sufficient residency status in Massachusetts to run for governor”:

– 2002: “[T]here were a number of social trips and business trips that brought me back to Massachusetts, board meetings, Thanksgiving and so forth.”

– 2012: “I was in Salt Lake City for three straight years. I don’t recall even coming back once to go to a Bain or management meeting. We were, I was out there running the Olympics and it was a full time job, I can tell you that.”

“Jan, I had no involvement with the management of Bain Capital after 1999,” Romney insisted on Friday.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...t-bain-tenure/

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and, yet another reason why using a national average can be difficult. in most parts of the country, 250k would be considered well above middle class. where i live, that wage would be in the very top of the top 1% of the state. but then, a few years back, if you made over 60k a year, you were in the top 2% of wage earners in arkansas. obviously nyc is an extreme, which is why i said consider median income...and there are a lot of people trying to get by in nyc with a lot less than the money you referenced.



edit~~ just visited slate to see if there was anything new, and saw this:


http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/..._bay_area.html


at 2k a week, that's 104k per year. so, if that's the average for new york, one could safely assume that is the middle, right? which means 250k is far above that. perhaps upper middle class? or maybe lower upper class! at any rate, far above average.

Even here, if you live in Denver 250K is not a lot of $, certainly below wealthy. That NYC average has to be brought way down by the preponderance of service industry employees in the city. When I worked in Manhattan I had friends that shared a 450sq/ft apartment for too much money, way uptown (uptown = bad) just to not have to cross any bridge/tunnel to get home.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Even here, if you live in Denver 250K is not a lot of $, certainly below wealthy. That NYC average has to be brought way down by the preponderance of service industry employees in the city. When I worked in Manhattan I had friends that shared a 450sq/ft apartment for too much money, way uptown (uptown = bad) just to not have to cross any bridge/tunnel to get home.

yeah, we lived near d.c. for years. glad to be away from all the people, traffic, and mostly, away from the expense. it's outrageous.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Let's say you work in NYC, lots of people do that make over 250K. This family of 4 cannot afford to live in NYC so the move to Westchester, Rockland or NJ and commute. They also pay State (NY, NJ or both if you live in NJ) and NY city taxes on top of the highest federal tax rate. It costs anywhere from $350-$700 (that cannot be written off anymore) per month to take public transport from an outlying area to get to NYC. What are you left with? Middle class on a good day.
Wealthy is a lot more than 250K per year. If you live in Oklahoma, it is probably wealthy.

I live in Manhattan and $250K a year is far from wealthy. The dolts don't get this.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by pointman

I live in Manhattan and $250K a year is far from wealthy. The dolts don't get this.

......the greatest place in the world as long as you have a grip of cash.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, we lived near d.c. for years. glad to be away from all the people, traffic, and mostly, away from the expense. it's outrageous.

DC is the worst and my work has had me in NYC for a few years, I routinely travel to the Bay area and Atlanta.

I laugh very hard at people here that complain about traffic. Going 40MPH on an inbound highway during rush hour is not traffic I tell them, especially when it lasts for about 4 miles at that pace.