Petraeus...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Everything the head of the CIA does is a matter of national security. If he is willing to break the rules and put himself in compomising situations how do we know what he might have been willing to do to keep those secrets?

I'm sure if Mr Putin had information that he could use as leverage on Petraeus do you believe he would hesitate to use that?

what rules did petraus break to have an affair? he's not active military, so i doubt there are any rules about having a girl on the side.
it's an affair. it's not a james bond movie, she's not a russian commie, and apparently nothing was compromised.
as for the last sentence, i'm pretty sure that's why he was encouraged to resign, and why he did resign as soon as he was told about the investigation. and i'm sure he feels like a complete and utter fool.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You think that the FBI has been investigating the head of the CIA for months and the White House is claiming the President didn't know about it is truthful? You dont think if when Obama started slipping a bit in the polls that this story breaking wouldn't have hurt him even if just slightly? It might not have effected the final result but are you ok with the White House lying to us about a matter that you feel isnt of national security?

if i don't feel it is a matter of national security, why would i care about who knew what and when?
he was screwing a girl. so what?!
and if the first debate, and the libya attack and all the other real problems didn't matter, why would it matter that some guy not named obama was screwing someone other than his wife?

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Danzig

sorry, just don't see that it is a big coverup. if the media isn't making a big deal about the actual attack, with supposed real time knowledge but no action, i don't see why petraus dipping his wick was something to worry about. besides, most people didn't think it was a big deal about clinton, so how could it be with the general?
and he will still be compelled to testify, regardless of whether he is in or out of the cia. i think there would have been something to it had the other woman been a libyan terrorist. other than that, it's just the latest fodder for folks who watch that pageant kid.

and yeah, you're right about the tmz-ization of america. and it's embarrassing.

The "media" seems to do a lot of "selective reporting" these days doesn't it? Corruption INC.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

The "media" seems to do a lot of "selective reporting" these days doesn't it? Corruption INC.

these days? you mean always i think.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Danzig

if i don't feel it is a matter of national security, why would i care about who knew what and when?
he was screwing a girl. so what?!
and if the first debate, and the libya attack and all the other real problems didn't matter, why would it matter that some guy not named obama was screwing someone other than his wife?

He's the head of the CIA. Dammit. Some people are PAID not to "screw some girl".

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Danzig

these days? you mean always i think.

Most always!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

He's the head of the CIA. Dammit. Some people are PAID not to "screw some girl".

yeah, it was common knowledge back in the day that thom jefferson was playing pattycake with 'dashing' sally hemings, and that he had kids with her. i bet it would be a lot quicker to name the po-lie-ticians and others in d.c. that AREN'T cheating.
david vitter anyone? wasn't just cheating, he was paying for it. still in the senate.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what rules did petraus break to have an affair? he's not active military, so i doubt there are any rules about having a girl on the side.
it's an affair. it's not a james bond movie, she's not a russian commie, and apparently nothing was compromised.
as for the last sentence, i'm pretty sure that's why he was encouraged to resign, and why he did resign as soon as he was told about the investigation. and i'm sure he feels like a complete and utter fool.

What rules did he break?

"While affairs may be commonplace in Washington, when they involve the director of the CIA, things can take on a different tone.

Analysts say there is no evidence that a security breach occurred as a result of the affair, but that hasn't stopped discussion that Broadwell could have gained access to classified information as a result of what she has routinely described as "unprecedented access" to Petraeus.

That discussion seemed to gain momentum Monday thanks to comments Broadwell made in a speech last month at the University of Denver.

"I don't know if a lot of you have heard this, but the CIA annex had actually taken a couple of Libyan militia members prisoner and they think that the attack on the consulate was an effort to get these prisoners back," Broadwell said.

A senior intelligence official told CNN on Monday, "These detention claims are categorically not true. Nobody was ever held at the annex before, during, or after the attacks."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/12/us/pet...ion/index.html


Call me crazy her story makes a lot more sense than the various ones which we have been told. I wonder where she got the idea about that secret CIA prison?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, it was common knowledge back in the day that thom jefferson was playing pattycake with 'dashing' sally hemings, and that he had kids with her. i bet it would be a lot quicker to name the po-lie-ticians and others in d.c. that AREN'T cheating.
david vitter anyone? wasn't just cheating, he was paying for it. still in the senate.

You dont find it troubling that the head of the CIA was so easily trapped into a relationship with a woman who was obviously looking for something more than a one night stand? That he allowed her far more access than many were comfortable with and we dont have any idea what he discussed with her? She is intellegent and accomplished enough to be scary IMO for a guy like Petraeus to be involved with. This might not be James Bond movie but for someone as smart as her to be able to get close to the head of CIA so easily is troubling. Broadwell has a diplomats pedigree and diplomats make good spies. Just imagine if she had worse intentions than just an affair?

[Danzig]

i try not to get worked up about hypotheticals.

is he a fool? yes. but unless/until something actually worrisome comes out, it's a non-story to me. sorry.
and 'easily trapped'? i doubt he thought he was being trapped. and unless she had something nefarious in mind, then i have to think it was just an affair.
and she doesn't sound particularly smart, knowing about the ridiculous emails she sent. if she had a cunning plan, she botched it pretty badly.
i seriously doubt either one of them thought all their actions thru. if they had, the affair wouldn't have happened.

and, after months of inquiry, there was no ticking time bomb. just not seeing a grand conspiracy to worry about.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

She looks like she's on steroids.

You're right, she does!

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

You're right, she does!

Kinda Spy-like! In an East-German way. We are screwed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i try not to get worked up about hypotheticals.

is he a fool? yes. but unless/until something actually worrisome comes out, it's a non-story to me. sorry.
and 'easily trapped'? i doubt he thought he was being trapped. and unless she had something nefarious in mind, then i have to think it was just an affair.
and she doesn't sound particularly smart, knowing about the ridiculous emails she sent. if she had a cunning plan, she botched it pretty badly.
i seriously doubt either one of them thought all their actions thru. if they had, the affair wouldn't have happened.

and, after months of inquiry, there was no ticking time bomb. just not seeing a grand conspiracy to worry about.

I guess you and I differ on the importance of the CIA. You treat this as though it is the head of the Consumer affairs department.

And if there was a ticking time bomb you dont really think that we would find out about this do you?

[Danzig]

of course the cia is important. however, you're trying to include this as tho it has some sort of huge relevance, or an affect on national security. in fact, it has neither.

from the ap:

The FBI looked into whether a separate set of emails between Petraeus and Broadwell might involve any security breach and concluded it did not.

The FBI searched Broadwell's home in Charlotte, N.C., Monday night, with her consent, according to a federal law enforcement official, who requested anonymity because the official was not authorized to speak on the record about the investigation.

The official said the FBI just wanted to make sure there were no classified documents out of government custody.




--------the only group it seems that is yelping to high heaven are some in congress, who want to know why they didn't know. great. the fbi finds nothing untoward except some extramarital sex, so all the problems we are facing will get shunted aside yet again...cause hey, a sex scandal.

and yes, if there was more, we'd find out. just like we did in watergate, etc, etc. nobody keeps secrets for long up there.

[SOREHOOF]

No one seems to care. We are screwed. If We the People don't wise up soon... oh forget it.

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/articles/double...he_affair.html

saw that article title, and thought of this thread.

[SOREHOOF]

Why in the world are we paying FBI agents to go through 30,000 pages of frikkin E-Mails? Especially if they aren't going to do anything about it. We have way too many FBI Agents is my guess. Wasteful Govt. spending.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

of course the cia is important. however, you're trying to include this as tho it has some sort of huge relevance, or an affect on national security. in fact, it has neither.

from the ap:

The FBI looked into whether a separate set of emails between Petraeus and Broadwell might involve any security breach and concluded it did not.

The FBI searched Broadwell's home in Charlotte, N.C., Monday night, with her consent, according to a federal law enforcement official, who requested anonymity because the official was not authorized to speak on the record about the investigation.

The official said the FBI just wanted to make sure there were no classified documents out of government custody.




--------the only group it seems that is yelping to high heaven are some in congress, who want to know why they didn't know. great. the fbi finds nothing untoward except some extramarital sex, so all the problems we are facing will get shunted aside yet again...cause hey, a sex scandal.

and yes, if there was more, we'd find out. just like we did in watergate, etc, etc. nobody keeps secrets for long up there.

Yesh because concerning the CIA we are always let in on details about what they are up to...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.slate.com/articles/double...he_affair.html

saw that article title, and thought of this thread.

That was mostly drivel. No one is saying that on this occasion that the head of the CIA was duped into any precarious situations concerning sensitive info. That it was so easy to do to such a highly decorated and seemingly qualified individual is what is bothersome to me. His sex life isnt my concern, its his poor judgement and weakness that led to that poor judgement that is being questioned. Had we found he was banging escorts on trips to the Ukraine it wouldnt be nearly the big deal that it is. If Broadwell is a spy she is a poor one but IMO this doesnt give one much confidence in the Agency.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

That was mostly drivel. No one is saying that on this occasion that the head of the CIA was duped into any precarious situations concerning sensitive info. That it was so easy to do to such a highly decorated and seemingly qualified individual is what is bothersome to me. His sex life isnt my concern, its his poor judgement and weakness that led to that poor judgement that is being questioned. Had we found he was banging escorts on trips to the Ukraine it wouldnt be nearly the big deal that it is. If Broadwell is a spy she is a poor one but IMO this doesnt give one much confidence in the Agency.

you mean the poor judgement and weakness in his sex life? not sure how you can say it's none of your business, and yet it is.