BC '13 NOTEBOOK: Juvenile; Juvy Fillies; Juvy Turf; Juvy Filly Turf

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by wac

oh no, i see medal count is listed in juvenile???? why on earth is romans doing this? I kinda like this horse as I said on an earlier thread. Steve, is there any reason why Romans is thinking about entering him?? seems WAY over his head at this point in his career and I just hope it doesn't ruin him. if he trains out in Calif. Steve can you let me know how it goes? just don't see a 2yr old Dynaformer doing well but I hope im wrong.

He's not thinking of entering.. he's pre-entered. And I'd say that Romans wants to run him because he thinks he can be competitive. And recognize that owner B. Wayne Hughes and the Spendthrift team likely have a say in in the decision. There are 5 other horses in the Juvy with 2 starts -- or less when it comes to Tap It Rich -- so he's not giving away all that much experience. He has run 2 two turn races which only 4 other horses can say and has a higher last race Beyer than half the field. He's no more misplaced in the Juvenile than anyone else.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kasept

He's not thinking of entering.. he's pre-entered. And I'd say that Romans wants to run him because he thinks he can be competitive. And recognize that owner B. Wayne Hughes and the Spendthrift team likely have a say in in the decision. There are 5 other horses in the Juvy with 2 starts -- or less when it comes to Tap It Rich -- so he's not giving away all that much experience. He has run 2 two turn races which only 4 other horses can day and has a higher last race Beyer than half the field. He's no more misplaced in the Juvenile than anyone else.

You were doing OK until this.

He's WAY slow, and surely more misplaced than Havana. I won't argue with you if you said he isn't substantially worse than much of the field.

[wac]

thanks for the info Steve, i guess we will see how it shakes out. i agree BTW, he has not run very fast at this point but i was thinking/hoping that due to breeding he may get better as he gets older. The reason i like the horse is b/c i was impressed with his win 1st time out going route of ground stuck on the rail and fought thru other horses to win. i know the race came back slow and he sure didn't really open any eyes up the other day at Keen. thats why i was hoping the would just sit on him till early next year.

[Kasept]

Jay Privman ‏@DRFPrivman: Mike Smith rides Euro 2yo Outstrip in BC Juv Turf, per agent Brad Pegram.

[Kasept]

Kiaran McLaughlin ‏@KPMRacingStable: In the BC Juvenile Fillies Turf Sky Painter will be ridden by Luis Saez and Dancing House will be ridden by Mike Smith.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Jay Privman ‏@DRFPrivman: Mike Smith rides Euro 2yo Outstrip in BC Juv Turf, per agent Brad Pegram.

I guess I can live with this.

[Kasept]

David Grening ‏@DRFGrening: Owner Kin Hui on decision to run Diamond Bachelor in BC Juvenile on dirt and not turf: "Nothing to lose. We'd like to see how good he is"

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Kasept

David Grening ‏@DRFGrening: Owner Kin Hui on decision to run Diamond Bachelor in BC Juvenile on dirt and not turf: "Nothing to lose. We'd like to see how good he is"

I like it. Gutsy.

[Kasept]

Got Shades (Danny Pish/Gary Stevens) & Home School (Doug O'Neill/Mario Gutierrez) BOTH into Juv. Turf after decisions/defections this morning..

[letswastemoney]

Secret Compass is the filly to beat in the Juvenile Fillies. In the Chandelier Stakes which she won, it was 18 lengths from the third place finisher to fourth, a sign of a quality race. She has the tactical speed to not fall too far off the pace.

She will have first run and win.

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Secret Compass is the filly to beat in the Juvenile Fillies. In the Chandelier Stakes which she won, it was 18 lengths from the third place finisher to fourth, a sign of a quality race. She has the tactical speed to not fall too far off the pace.

She will have first run and win.

It could also be the sign of a poor race and in looking at the runners in there, I'm thinking poor race instead of quality.

Didn't She's a Tiger run the better race in the Chandelier?

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

It could also be the sign of a poor race and in looking at the runners in there, I'm thinking poor race instead of quality.

Didn't She's a Tiger run the better race in the Chandelier?

I'm not sure if Scandalous Act will be sent, and Artemis Agrotera owns a lot of speed too (although she gets a more patient jockey in Lezcano).

Yes, She's a Tiger ran the better race, but I'm just worried she'll get caught in a duel. If she does, Secret Compass will have first run.

Then again, with jockeys as chicken as they are today, maybe this scenario won't happen and they will let She's a Tiger coast to victory. I may use both She's a Tiger and Secret Compass.

[Alan07]

My Conquestadory confirmed for JF Turf, per Caton Bredar on HRTV this morning.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Secret Compass is the filly to beat in the Juvenile Fillies. In the Chandelier Stakes which she won, it was 18 lengths from the third place finisher to fourth, a sign of a quality race. She has the tactical speed to not fall too far off the pace.

She will have first run and win.

She has to move way up to beat the exacta horses from the Frizette.

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

She has to move way up to beat the exacta horses from the Frizette.

Numbers wise yes. But the Frizette fillies also have to negotiate two turns for the first time. I see that Sweet Reason worked a slow mile around two turns this morning just to get a feel of the added lead changing going two turns..

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

She has to move way up to beat the exacta horses from the Frizette.

I also think horses that prepped at Santa Anita tend to fare well in the dirt Juvenile Fillies when it's held at Santa Anita, like Beholder and Halfbridled. Maybe you have a point though.

[Kasept]

COMPANY LINES: Both Culprit (MSW, 1m, dirt, 80 Beyer) and Tiger Bourbon (ALW/N2L, 8.5f-T, 70 Beyer) won Sunday at Churchill exiting also-ran efforts in the G3 Bourbon which has Poker Player, Bashart and Bon Accord in the J-Turf.. Also note that Ride On Curlin (3rd behind Havana & Honor Code in the Champagne) was a non-threatening 3rd as the even money favorite in the Street Sense..

At Belmont, note Mansion House 3rd in U.S. debut in Awad. Was 3rd behind Wilshire Boulevard in G3 at Curragh last.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kasept

COMPANY LINES: Both Culprit (MSW, 1m, dirt, 80 Beyer) and Tiger Bourbon (ALW/N2L, 8.5f-T, 70 Beyer) won Sunday at Churchill exiting also-ran efforts in the G3 Bourbon which has Poker Player, Bashart and Bon Accord in the J-Turf.. Also note that Ride On Curlin (3rd behind Havana & Honor Code in the Champagne) was a non-threatening 3rd as the even money favorite in the Street Sense..

At Belmont, note Mansion House 3rd in U.S. debut in Awad. Was 3rd behind Wilshire Boulevard in G3 at Curragh last.

Ride on Curlin's performance likely upgrades Havana's Champagne win, as he was the lone speed to survive, while Honor Code and Ride on Curlin came from last and second to last. As for Mansion House, there are very few riders that would have lost with him yesterday...not that a win would have flattered Wilshire Boulevard. I also think it may be a bit of an apples and oranges comparison.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Kasept

COMPANY LINES: Both Culprit (MSW, 1m, dirt, 80 Beyer) and Tiger Bourbon (ALW/N2L, 8.5f-T, 70 Beyer) won Sunday at Churchill exiting also-ran efforts in the G3 Bourbon which has Poker Player, Bashart and Bon Accord in the J-Turf.. Also note that Ride On Curlin (3rd behind Havana & Honor Code in the Champagne) was a non-threatening 3rd as the even money favorite in the Street Sense..

At Belmont, note Mansion House 3rd in U.S. debut in Awad. Was 3rd behind Wilshire Boulevard in G3 at Curragh last.

Culprit's win is also an indictment of the atrocity that was the Iroquois, as 3rd place finisher Tapiture was a dull 3rd yesterday in that MSW race.

[FATPIANO]

This race is just Scandalous