Poly speed disaster at keeneland

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I would have. When Turfway first went to Poly, u might remember that I was on the other forum talking about how the horses were staggering home in every race. The opening fractions were close to normal but closing ones have been ridiculously slow, an indicator to me that the track is a lot more tiring than regular dirt and puts speed at a distinct disadvantage. As Oracle has pointed out, this is contradictory to what breeders are looking for these days. The game is killing itself. Breed horses for speed and then build tracks that kill speed horses. Brilliant.

Its not exactly a good marketing plan is it?
Wait until some owners have some of the soundest high 6 figure yearling purchases you ever saw who haven't earned a quarter.
Lets see how fast they head east to the dirt.
East Coast tracks will react further than they already have, which has been good, by making sure they have good cushions and tracks with a good surface that is harrowed deeper. Sound is good, sound is very very good. Sound and everyone with talent and speed hitting a brick wall isn't good, not at all good.

[The Bid]

Just got off the phone with a guy in Canada. Chiefswood Farm, they will not be running over the poly anymore, they have had 3 come back bad, and 2 not come back at all. Lots of bad reports on Woodbines track from insiders. Amazingly Keeneland and Woodbine have the same surface, lets see how long it takes Keeneland to get real

Originally Posted by The Bid

Just got off the phone with a guy in Canada. Chiefswood Farm, they will not be running over the poly anymore, they have had 3 come back bad, and 2 not come back at all. Lots of bad reports on Woodbines track from insiders. Amazingly Keeneland and Woodbine have the same surface, lets see how long it takes Keeneland to get real

I like it, I love it, I want some more of it.

[Crown@club]

Please! No Country Music!

[The Bid]

I mean I just got off the phone with the guy. He said a ton of horses are coming back bad, not just theirs. They are scared to run over the surface anymore. I wonder if Keeneland changed their track so it wasnt as bad as woodbines? Remember I reported a few days ago 3 or 4 had been put down, this guy said 2 of HIS have been put down. I didnt even have this guy in the equation

Originally Posted by The Bid

I mean I just got off the phone with the guy. He said a ton of horses are coming back bad, not just theirs. They are scared to run over the surface anymore. I wonder if Keeneland changed their track so it wasnt as bad as woodbines? Remember I reported a few days ago 3 or 4 had been put down, this guy said 2 of HIS have been put down. I didnt even have this guy in the equation

Its kinda like the old Soviet Union where the guy would be onscreen reading the news with a guy offscreen aiming a pistol at him making sure he read what he was supposed to. Kinda like, food shortage causing wonderful weight loss among Soviet citizens with a smile.
The news has been rather like that regarding poly. Wonder why? Couldn't be the money could it? Nah, not that.

[The Bid]

Keeneland made all the money, they have the same surface. You know they arent going to say anything bad about the track. I know Turfway told a few guys to keep their mouths shut, if they didnt like it they could leave. Thats just how it goes, eventually the real numbers will come out, and the polywonders will be left with egg on their face.

[disrespectnfool]

O villain, villain, smiling, damned villain!

Originally Posted by disrespectnfool

O villain, villain, smiling, damned villain!

We oughta have a pool, pick the next racing day at keeneland where there is a wire job. Put me down for Saturday, next Saturday that is, not this upcoming one.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by oracle80

We oughta have a pool, pick the next racing day at keeneland where there is a wire job. Put me down for Saturday, next Saturday that is, not this upcoming one.

I'm still waiting to pick up the local paper and see the story about the local man who was taken away in a white jacket after running down the street yelling "no more Polytrack!" I'm just kidding with you.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by oracle80

We oughta have a pool, pick the next racing day at keeneland where there is a wire job. Put me down for Saturday, next Saturday that is, not this upcoming one.

I'll take Race 3 tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I'm still waiting to pick up the local paper and see the story about the local man who was taken away in a white jacket after running down the street yelling "no more Polytrack!" I'm just kidding with you.

I just like saying I told you so!!!!

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I'll take Race 3 tomorrow.

hmm, I'm looking at it now, lets see what our friend the Sniper has for us.
No way dude, way too much pace in there. Anything more than a lone speed horse who looks to have a 5 length lead is not a candidate for a wire job. Cotton King, Sky Diving, Dance Man, Regwell, and Shark all have speed.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I just like saying I told you so!!!!

You do?! Who would have ever thought?

Looking over the charts though, it does seem a fair amount of favorites are winning at the expected normal percentage, no?

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I'm still waiting to pick up the local paper and see the story about the local man who was taken away in a white jacket after running down the street yelling "no more Polytrack!" I'm just kidding with you.

And my posts are in direct response to the polytrack shills who reside here. They quit shilling, I'll quit posting facts and data. Don't count on it soon.

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You do?! Who would have ever thought?

Looking over the charts though, it does seem a fair amount of favorites are winning at the expected normal percentage, no?

With turf thrown in yes.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by oracle80

hmm, I'm looking at it now, lets see what our friend the Sniper has for us.
No way dude, way too much pace in there. Anything more than a lone speed horse who looks to have a 5 length lead is not a candidate for a wire job. Cotton King, Sky Diving, Dance Man, Regwell, and Shark all have speed.

I don't have PPs for tomorrow so have no clue. Just saw it was a small field (8) by polytrack standards.

I'd like to see Aqueduct go to poly and even the training tracks at Belmont and Saratoga. I definitely don't see why Saratoga should ever go to poly and don't see too much reason for Belmont to go to it.

[SentToStud]

We had about 120 feet of 6-foot heavy wood fencing go down during Wilma last fall. My fence guy finished the job two days ago.

A good deal of my yard has been a mess with all the construction junk. So tomorrow I will put down about 1500 sq feet of sod.

Yesterday and today I spread about 2.5 cubic yards of topsoil down. Just the dirt looks freakin' beautiful.

I refuse to believe that anything is better for horses than dirt.

Maybe I should forget the sod, put up a 6 inch high rail around my new dirt, get some hamsters and run my own meet. I know Scav would throw down some action.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Its not exactly a good marketing plan is it?
Wait until some owners have some of the soundest high 6 figure yearling purchases you ever saw who haven't earned a quarter.
.

That's happened before Polytrack came along. There's alot of high dollared yearlings out there that haven't earned a fraction of what was paid for them. Dirt, Poly, Turf - has nothing to do with it.

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I mean I just got off the phone with the guy. He said a ton of horses are coming back bad, not just theirs. They are scared to run over the surface anymore. I wonder if Keeneland changed their track so it wasnt as bad as woodbines? Remember I reported a few days ago 3 or 4 had been put down, this guy said 2 of HIS have been put down. I didnt even have this guy in the equation

Keep repeating that lie and you still won't make it true. Keeneland is a new surface. It'll be like Turfway soon enough, where there is no bias (other than yours).