Baltimore riots

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Every kid needs a mother like her.

And a father?

72 percent of African-American children are born out of wedlock. I'm old enough to remember when that stat could never have been imagined. I wonder what changed?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

And a father?

72 percent of African-American children are born out of wedlock. I'm old enough to remember when that stat could never have been imagined. I wonder what changed?

More than half of births to American women younger than 30 are outside marriage, research has found.

And across all ages, a staggering four in ten women are not married when they have children.


The data shows the fastest growth in the past 20 years is among white women in their 20s with some college education but no four-year degree.



not sure, but it's no longer a race thing, since all demographics are seeing an increase in that statistic.
on the other hand, out of wedlock doesn't automatically mean 'no father'.
i'd think one of the biggest reasons for the change is more women are self sufficient, and no longer see marriage as a necessity, or a prerequisite for having children.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's....gross.
are you from indonesia or something? they're about to line up some drug dealers in front of a firing squad. i didn't realize drugs should draw such a harsh sentence.
or that the cops get to decide someone is to die, sans trial, lawyer, etc. how chilling the some people hold other peoples constitutional rights, and civil rights, so cheaply.
what if it was you, arletta? if a cop looked at you and made the decision to give you a 'rough ride' in a van? but...that would be different, right? would neeever happen to you?

It's a never ending vicious cycle.. drugs go to the kids, whom turn may into future drug dealers whom sell it to more kids (if they don't overs dose).
One less loser drug dealer, in the world is not something I will lose any sleep over.. The guy was a POS that obviously was never going to become an "upstanding" citzen and didn't have any respect for the law.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Arletta

It's a never ending vicious cycle.. drugs go to the kids, whom turn may into future drug dealers whom sell it to more kids (if they don't overs dose).
One less loser drug dealer, in the world is not something I will lose any sleep over.. The guy was a POS that obviously was never going to become an "upstanding" citzen and didn't have any respect for the law.

His lack of respect for the law in no way excuses wrongdoing or excesses by the police. You should absolutely lose sleep that some in the pay of our govt think they can overstep our guaranteed rights under the constitution. And keep in mind, no drugs or illegal objects were in greys possession at the time of arrest. Id also remind you that many people redeem themselves after early mistakes.

Fifth Amendment
Main article: Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.[71]

Your rights don't go away after being arrested or because of previous run ins. There are no asterisks or fine print in our documents. They don't apply only to likable people.

Did you learn in us. History who the defense attorney was for the british soldiers accused in the boston massacre? That man was warned not to take their case, that they'd be found guilty, that hed ruin his reputation if he represented them.
John adams took the case, because he supported the rule of law that all are to be given a fair trial, all can face their accusers. He won the that case and it certainly didn't harm him.
Our freedoms are lessened and we are not really free, if they are limited to people deemed worthy.
Because....how small the numbers of the worthy could become.


As for the kids buying.....that's their moms fault according to some.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

His lack of respect for the law in no way excuses wrongdoing or excesses by the police. You should absolutely lose sleep that some in the pay of our govt think they can overstep our guaranteed rights under the constitution. And keep in mind, no drugs or illegal objects were in greys possession at the time of arrest. Id also remind you that many people redeem themselves after early mistakes.
.

Who is Grey? We're talking about Gray who had a switchblade in his sock and 18 previous arrests in his pocket.

You continue to amaze all of us with your idiocy. But again congrats on capitalizing the first word of each sentence.

Baby Steps

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Id .

Next lesson, prepare, my way of helping society in a little way. One step at a time.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Rioting is wrong no matter what the color of skin or reason. In Vancouver people (mainly white) rioted over the Canucks WINNING the Stanley Cup. Still doesn't make what happened in Baltimore OK or more just.

We got a glimpse last night of what would happen if police decided to let things go unimpeded and anarchy reigned.

Again it's odd the murders of 56 black people, so far this year, in Baltimore, prior to the killing of Freddie Gray didn't seem to matter to anyone. We're less than halfway thru this year. Will the next 56 murders committed by those outside of the police department matter?

I also wonder if Mr. Gray would have been one preventing the violence or one participating in the violence?

I must ask the author of the article you cited why she left out the pumpkin and football rioters' actions of looting and attacking police.

And JMS must be busy otherwise he'd be on here typing 'straw man argument'

Too bad there isn't a Loyola Academy in every city.

That's just wrong.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by richard burch

That's just wrong.

Well..it never happened in Vancouver so don't worry

[jms62]

Originally Posted by richard burch

That's just wrong.

Pretty funny that he is pounding Danzig on capitilization and spelling yet is completely wrong on the actual facts. I guess we should await the avalanche of statistics unrelated to any topic being discussed.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Pretty funny that he is pounding Danzig on capitilization and spelling yet is completely wrong on the actual facts. I guess we should await the avalanche of statistics unrelated to any topic being discussed.

I admitted my mistake.

We'll see about Danzig.

Odd that you didn't catch her response to 70% of American Africans born out of wedlock with 4 out of 10 mothers regardless of race not being married, proving in her peanut brain that it's no longer a race issue.

Then in a fall on her face moment she states "The data shows the fastest growth in the past 20 years is among white women in their 20s with some college education but no four-year degree." Yet follows that up with her own analysis of more women being self-sufficient.

So there you have it, the largest increase of children being born out of wedlock is to self-sufficient, white women with no college degrees.

She must have been slow at math as well as English as a 4rth grader could figure out, using her stats, that 3 out of 10 African American women having children are married while for all women regardless of race it's 6 out of 10.

I'm sure you'll go verify what I just typed and point out her STRAWMAN argument proves it's still a race issue.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Pretty funny that he is pounding Danzig on capitilization and spelling yet is completely wrong on the actual facts. I guess we should await the avalanche of statistics unrelated to any topic being discussed.

Lol
is he really? Boy, breaks my heart i cant see his posts....
and i often type, like right now, on my cell phone. I am lazy when it comes to using this thing, so no, i dont hit the button to bring up the symbol screen to find an apostrophe....and i never have fooled with capitalizing.
but, id imagine some reduce to such complaints for a reason...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Lol
is he really? Boy, breaks my heart i cant see his posts....
and i often type, like right now, on my cell phone. I am lazy when it comes to using this thing, so no, i dont hit the button to bring up the symbol screen to find an apostrophe....and i never have fooled with capitalizing.
but, id imagine some reduce to such complaints for a reason...

No worries, you wouldn't understand my posts if you could see them anyway.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

No worries, you wouldn't understand my posts if you could see them anyway.

I'm surprised that Mom, who is getting called a hero, isn't getting more backlash for beating the living hell out of her son.

Not that he didn't deserve it, but that seemed way aggressive and if someone would have seen that in a normal environment, it could have been considered child abuse!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Scav

I'm surprised that Mom, who is getting called a hero, isn't getting more backlash for beating the living hell out of her son.

Not that he didn't deserve it, but that seemed way aggressive and if someone would have seen that in a normal environment, it could have been considered child abuse!

Except the reason for him catching a beating, throwing rocks at cops, seemed just.

But you're right I'm surprised many aren't suggesting the kid should have been given a time out.

Had the cops beat him like his mother did we would have had another riot.

[Danzig]

The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral,
begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.
Through violence you may murder the liar,
but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth.
Through violence you may murder the hater,
but you do not murder hate.
In fact, violence merely increases hate.
So it goes.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness:
only light can do that.
Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

[GenuineRisk]

David Simon on the situation:

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2...h?ref=hp-1-111

It's such a white liberal cliché to say you loved The Wire, but holy cow, I did love that show (finally watched it last year). In this interview he's smart and insightful, as always.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Scav

I'm surprised that Mom, who is getting called a hero, isn't getting more backlash for beating the living hell out of her son.

Not that he didn't deserve it, but that seemed way aggressive and if someone would have seen that in a normal environment, it could have been considered child abuse!

Im all for discipline....but yeah, she seemed out of control.

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...of_injury.html

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Danzig

More than half of births to American women younger than 30 are outside marriage, research has found.

And across all ages, a staggering four in ten women are not married when they have children.


The data shows the fastest growth in the past 20 years is among white women in their 20s with some college education but no four-year degree.



not sure, but it's no longer a race thing, since all demographics are seeing an increase in that statistic.
on the other hand, out of wedlock doesn't automatically mean 'no father'.
i'd think one of the biggest reasons for the change is more women are self sufficient, and no longer see marriage as a necessity, or a prerequisite for having children.

Good news..

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...ou_d_know.html

But....perception is still reality for some:

But just because the unwed birth rate is going down doesn't mean that the panic over single motherhood is likely to recede. The majority of Americans believe crime is getting worse, but crime is actually way down since the ’90s. Most Americans also believe teen pregnancy is on the rise, when in fact it's in a sharp decline. So we'll probably continue to hear about how single mothers are responsible for every social ill imaginable.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

But just because the unwed birth rate is going down doesn't mean that the panic over single motherhood is likely to recede. The majority of Americans believe crime is getting worse, but crime is actually way down since the ’90s. Most Americans also believe teen pregnancy is on the rise, when in fact it's in a sharp decline. So we'll probably continue to hear about how single mothers are responsible for every social ill imaginable.

So true. Even when confronted with facts contradicting a position, it's very hard to get someone to change that position. Jonathan Swift put it best back in the 18th century: "It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."