Top 10 BC perfomances (last 10 years)

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

again you pick out a portion out of context in an attempt to attack my credibility.

it was not stellar compared to PP's time.

you need to focus on reasons to listen not focus on ways to destroy because you feel like the poster is lacking, due to a credibility issue perpetrated by someone who can skip the defamation process server by posting onilne.

Compared to Pleasantly Perfect's time?? From the year before? OK, I'm not going down this road with you. I know you live in a dream world where you can compare times from different tracks on different days from different years in different dimensions. I don't remember reading anyone dissing PP.. he was a nice horse too. And his BCC was very good. But when you write things like GZ's "time was not stellar," and Perfect Drift has been a "dominant" force in racing, it's just laughable.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused. No knock on Pleasantly Perfect, as he was a fine racehorse, but he and Ghostzapper met once on the racetrack and Ghostzapper drowned him. And, if you're arguing about extensive careers, Pleasantly Perfect, if memory serves me correctly, raced under 20 times.

Both were very good horses....but Ghostzapper was better and proved it time and again.

again someone who refuses to hear the part about PP having a career ending injury hitting the gate.
he was to go on to the japan cup, but it ended his career.

maybe i should forget the injury part too, and pretend that Gz is the better of the two.

aftyer all isn't that what most modern americans do , go along instead of dealing reason.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

this is not the AP wire, just guys talkin like in the bar. can you explain to me why a horse would run through jhis abilities every time he runs to point of hurting himsalf.

could it be he couldn't feel pain while running,
could it be it took him 6 months to recover from the damage done while running doped ? because he had hisnerves deadend.

do you run beyond your strength to the point of not being able to walk the next day ?
not if your ruinning withour pain killer you don't.

so i feel the horse may have been doped.
don't act like some naive virgin who just saw her first pecker. the detention barns are there for a reason, to satisfy a need to keep the game clean.
well than it would stand to reason that the game weas unclean before that doesn't it.

You shouldn't point fingers at someone for doping a horse if you don't have factual evidence that it happened. You can ruin someone's reputation by doing that. Do you have evidence of Ghostzapper being doped that we don't know about?

[zippyneedsawin]

horses also continue to try to run when they break their leg.. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE ALL DOPED, back to MORONVILLE, Mayor.

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

Compared to Pleasantly Perfect's time?? From the year before? OK, I'm not going down this road with you. I know you live in a dream world where you can compare times from different tracks on different days from different years in different dimensions. I don't remember reading anyone dissing PP.. he was a nice horse too. And his BCC was very good. But when you write things like GZ's "time was not stellar," and Perfect Drift has been a "dominant" force in racing, it's just laughable.

i grow weary of you talikng down to me.

not many people ever do, and certainly not face to face with me. so in order to avoid this unpleasantry of you using the format to do just that, i will have to move on.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

LOL!! IT WAS FASTER THAN PP'S TIME!

And on a slower track, I might add!

See, I'm disobeying my own advice to ignore this dude.

LOL.. that's right..

Pleasantly Perfect (2003, BCC) = 1:59:88

Ghostzapper (2004, BCC) = 1:59:02


Now, these times are not compareable to me... but based on your "logic," who ran the better BCC race, Mayor?

[blackthroatedwind]

Then you must be an even bigger fan of Dynever than I am...as he got a very similar trip to Pleasantly Perfect in the BC Classic ( 2003 ) and lost by about a length and a half.

So, Pleasantly Perfect got injured hitting the gate in the BC Classic? Funny, it didn't affect him enough to prevent him from running a decent third and honestly running no worse than he did in winning the race a year earlier.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

i grow weary of you talikng down to me.

not many people ever do, and certainly not face to face with me. so in order to avoid this unpleasantry of you using the format to do just that, i will have to move on.

I'm not talking down to you.. If no one disagrees with you in "real life" that's not my problem.
But you're going to hear it on here when you post you nonsense. If you consider that "talking down" to you, that's too bad.

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I'm not talking down to you.. If no one disagrees with you in "real life" that's not my problem.
But you're going to hear it on here when you post you nonsense. If you consider that "talking down" to you, that's too bad.

What is the point of debating these two horses. Both are great horses and both won the Classic. I would prob put a little more emphasis on PP since he did go over to Dubai. That is something that Zapper never did. But come on you two, just sit back and be thankful that you go to see two great horses race.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

What is the point of debating these two horses. Both are great horses and both won the Classic. I would prob put a little more emphasis on PP since he did go over to Dubai. That is something that Zapper never did. But come on you two, just sit back and be thankful that you go to see two great horses race.

Amen to that!

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Why do you feel Ghostzapper may have been doped but not Pleasantly Perfect? Any proof whatsoever, or is this just a wild accusation coming out of left field?

well i'm not posting anymore on this.

you all seem to be wearing some of those cool Gz blinkers when it comers to assessing what occurred in that race. if you feel that a sprinter can all of a sudden run 10f in 159 through good training methods, and then be injured for months afterward without so much as a perhaps enterring into the equation, then more power to you.
i on the other hand have live too long to be that naive.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

What is the point of debating these two horses. Both are great horses and both won the Classic. I would prob put a little more emphasis on PP since he did go over to Dubai. That is something that Zapper never did. But come on you two, just sit back and be thankful that you go to see two great horses race.

I think PP and GZ were both very good. I'm just countering what the Mayor is using as his "arguments" for putting down GZ. I certainly never said PP wasn't good.

[tap]

Just to get things back on track, one that would be up there for me would be Lit de Justice in the 96 sprint. Durkin screaming "he's moving through the field like a gray blur!" Great race, great race call.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

well i'm not posting anymore on this.

you all seem to be wearing some of those cool Gz blinkers when it comers to assessing what occurred in that race. if you feel that a sprinter can all of a sudden run 10f in 159 through good training methods, and then be injured for months afterward without so much as a perhaps enterring into the equation, then more power to you.
i on the other hand have live too long to be that naive.

And why does GZ have a label as a "sprinter" from you? Just because he won sprinting races early in his career.. All he did was prove he could also run route races later.. most routers started in sprints.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

well i'm not posting anymore on this.

you all seem to be wearing some of those cool Gz blinkers when it comers to assessing what occurred in that race. if you feel that a sprinter can all of a sudden run 10f in 159 through good training methods, and then be injured for months afterward without so much as a perhaps enterring into the equation, then more power to you.
i on the other hand have live too long to be that naive.

Once again, you have no proof, Paul... it's not fair to throw out statements like that unless you do.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Once again, you have no proof, Paul... it's not fair to throw out statements like that unless you do.

i can conjecture... who said anything about proof.
whats not fair is telling me what opinions i should or should not have..

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by tap

Just to get things back on track, one that would be up there for me would be Lit de Justice in the 96 sprint. Durkin screaming "he's moving through the field like a gray blur!" Great race, great race call.

I'm all for that.. I thought the High Chapparal and Johar dead heat in 2003 was a great performance by both.

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Here are my thoughts on comparing the two horses, for what they are worth, probably nothing

First, I throw the earnings out the window. Of course you're going to earn over $7,000,000 when you win a race with a purse of $6,000,000. Hell, Giacomo's a millionaire, so is Lawyer Ron, so is Cherokee's Boy for that matter. Does that make them "good" horses, better than non-millionaires - no. It means they were well placed. Comparing times would indicate that many Japanese based horses were better than what is running in America and Europe because the purses in the far east are HUGE.

First, Ghostzapper won 4 Grade 1 races in five tries and was never off the board in either. Pleasantly Perfect took 3 Grade 1 races in 6 tries, and was off the board twice.

Biggest difference for me though is the fact that Pleasantly Perfect needed a race to set up for him, while Ghostzapper made his own breaks. Pleasantly Perfect NEEDED a strong pace, or he was going to be hard pressed to win. Ghostzapper set his own pace or closed from last...didnt matter to him.

Not going to compare final times, because they vary from track to track, day to day (i.e. what is good - what is bad - what is average). We'd have to go back and view a ton of charts, stats, etc. to see what was quicker. I'm personally blown away by the 1:46 1/5 that Ghostzapper ran in the Woodward for 9f, but the track could have been playing ultra quick that day. I dunno if it was or not.

I'm basing my opinion purely on the visual aspect of the game. I watched Castellano sit like a statue on Ghostzapper's back and his cruising speed alone was quicker than any other horse could offer. Castellano never asked him in the Met Mile and he still went the three quarter in 1:08 2/5 and the mile in 1:33 1/5...thats damn impressive. Plus, I cannot overlook the fact that he won the 6.5f Vosburgh, the 7f Tom Fool, the 8f Met Mile, the 9f Woodward, and the 10f BC Classic. How many horses are as good around one turn as two? Obviously not Pleasantly Perfect, who never won a race under 8f and never won a Grade 1 less than 9f.

Just my thougths...

[tap]

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin

I'm all for that.. I thought the High Chapparal and Johar dead heat in 2003 was a great performance by both.

Yeah, awesome race. There are so many great BC races. We could go on all day. And by the looks of things, probably will.