Is Curlin being overrated by the margins over nothing horses?

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

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The man was from Cleveland,too...

....don't ya know.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

I like Curlin, but I sure wish he would have faced tougher horses to this point. Keep in mind in recent years I have not bet the undefeated horses on Derby day, feeling they hadn't been tested enough. I was wrong about SJ and Barbaro.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

You really liked that movie? I watched it so long ago, but it just seemed soooo depressing, reallly I wanted to yell at everyone to wise up and go out and make their lives better. I wouldn't have made a very good therapist.

Maybe they were making their lives the best they could possibly be....for them.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Hardly a bold statement. Didn't he go sub 12 for the last furlong? I think someone would have to be on crack to think he could have gone faster.

You took it out of context ( I didn't feel a need to reprint the long post I was responding to ) in that the other poster had said Street Sense worked hard and Curlin wasn't full out ( or something like that ). I was disagreeing.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Maybe they were making their lives the best they could possibly be....for them.

True, I just get very frusterated with situations like that knowing people who were/are similiar, if that makes any sense? Having a few years on me now may make a difference though to my appreciation of the movie.

What did you think of Lost in Translation and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You took it out of context ( I didn't feel a need to reprint the long post I was responding to ) in that the other poster had said Street Sense worked hard and Curlin wasn't full out ( or something like that ). I was disagreeing.

I'm going to go out on a limb that whatever poster said that never actually bothered to look at the fractions of the race and probably thought the same thing about Bernardini being able to go much faster if pressed prior to the BC Classic. That or they're on crack.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

True, I just get very frusterated with situations like that knowing people who were/are similiar, if that makes any sense? Having a few years on me now may make a difference though to my appreciation of the movie.

What did you think of Lost in Translation and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind?

I like them both a lot....especially Eternal Sunshine. I like the fact that knowing everything they know, basically that their relationship is doomed, that they still decide to do it all over again.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I'm going to go out on a limb that whatever poster said that never actually bothered to look at the fractions of the race and probably thought the same thing about Bernardini being able to go much faster if pressed prior to the BC Classic. That or they're on crack.

I would agree with that. The old " he wasn't going all out " is almost universally wrong.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I would agree with that. The old " he wasn't going all out " is almost universally wrong.

It really isn't hard to figure out either by looking at the fractions. If Curlin was eased through the wire and finished in 14 flat after putting away the field then he probably wasn't going all out. When the closing fractions are quite fast though it is pretty compelling evidence that the horse was all out. It just amazes me how many people use their visual interpretation to determine whether a horse was all out rather than the facts on the chart.

[ArlJim78]

It is correct in my opinion to say that he couldn't have gone faster in any significant sense.

My question is does he need to?

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I like them both a lot....especially Eternal Sunshine. I like the fact that knowing everything they know, basically that their relationship is doomed, that they still decide to do it all over again.

Eternal Sunshine is probably one of my favorite movies.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Eternal Sunshine is probably one of my favorite movies.

It's one of my favorites from the last ten years for sure. I like it a lot more than I like Curlin.

[Smooth Operator]

Throat, what's your take on Street Sense's chances on May 5th after seeing his two preps?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Throat, what's your take on Street Sense's chances on May 5th after seeing his two preps?

I think he's one of the few horses that are likely to win the race. To be honest I have seen very little to get excited about from any of the horses heading into this Derby and very few horses coming into the race with sneaky good races. Sam P. is about the only horse in one of the preps ( SA Derby ) that probably would have won with a better ride....but I have a hard time thinking of him as that good. However, I will probably throw him in because he will be a huge price.

Getting back to Street Sense, maybe I'm somewhat biased because I have an attachment to him and I would love to see an end to the silly BC Juvie/Derby " jinx ", but I have seen nothing to deter me from thinking he is at least as good as any horses in this race.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think he's one of the few horses that are likely to win the race. To be honest I have seen very little to get excited about from any of the horses heading into this Derby and very few horses coming into the race with sneaky good races. Sam P. is about the only horse in one of the preps ( SA Derby ) that probably would have won with a better ride....but I have a hard time thinking of him as that good. However, I will probably throw him in because he will be a huge price.

Getting back to Street Sense, maybe I'm somewhat biased because I have an attachment to him and I would love to see an end to the silly BC Juvie/Derby " jinx ", but I have seen nothing to deter me from thinking he is at least as good as any horses in this race.

I've got a side bet with Philski on this horse. I don't think he is necessarily good, but he is an over-achiever.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I've got a side bet with Philski on this horse. I don't think he is necessarily good, but he is an over-achiever.

Yes... and I forgot who I took??

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I like them both a lot....especially Eternal Sunshine. I like the fact that knowing everything they know, basically that their relationship is doomed, that they still decide to do it all over again.

I think you misinterpreted. Great movie, though.

I dont know if people are responding to something I wrote, I am just catching up this thread and not read it full.

I dont think I said that Curlin could go faster, I had to edit that post because I meant to say "Delightful Kiss" and not Curlin so maybe people read it before I edited it. All three horses seem to be going somewhere close to their limit.

Curlin, if I recall, was being hand ridden, which can be interpreted to mean he is capable of more although I doubt much more.

Sorry if I am responding to the wrong thing...

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You took it out of context ( I didn't feel a need to reprint the long post I was responding to ) in that the other poster had said Street Sense worked hard and Curlin wasn't full out ( or something like that ). I was disagreeing.

If your referring to me as the "other poster" I dont think I said this, and that post was edited a few min. later. If you read it the first time it could be confusing..