Any Given Saturday gets my offical Derby endorsement

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Not only is Cowtown Cat one of the least likely winners of the 2007 Kentucky Derby, he isn't even particularly likely to ever win another race.

you underestimate todd pletcher.....didnt you say the same about pollards vision a couple years back?

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't know.....what will you be wearing when he runs in the second half of the field?

Why should I always be the one accountable for bad opinions?

you have more of them than most?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

you have more of them than most?

It's a numbers game. I have my share of good opinions as well.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's a numbers game. I have my share of good opinions as well.

kinda like pletchers strategy in the derby? throw enough **** on the wall and some of it is going to stick

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

kinda like pletchers strategy in the derby? throw enough **** on the wall and some of it is going to stick

Only one piece of 'scat' is going to stick. See my avatar. LOL

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Um, no I don't nor would I ever. I debit horses for being in positions to take advantage of track biases because those biases were what created false performances and thus those performances were worse than they appeared. Your post suggests the horse seemed to know there was a bias and was smart enough or good enough to thus take advantage of it. Hogwash. Perhaps the rider was, though in the Gotham it was mostly a factor of him drawing the best possible post, or the trainer was, as was possible in the Illinois Derby as all they had to do to get the fence was take advantage of the worst rider in America in Larry Melancon.

Simply put, the horse's performances, which aren't all that good on face value, are dramatically better than they should be due to circumstances relating to trip. With even a fair trip this horse would be easily three to five lengths worse in each race. He is SLOW and a complete non-factor in pretty much any race he now enters.

My post suggests no such thing, my post suggests that he's tactical enough to be where he needs to be, that's my point. You may have your fan club on here, but do not talk down to me. I think I made good points and stated them clearly, but you only want to interject your opinion of what I may be thinking. I don't know how someone can be so bold to throw out so many of this years contenders, they are all so closely grouped that I would listen to almost anyone's opinion on the Derby this year. Also, I don't know how you can say that he's so slow that he's only 5 points off the top Beyer for this year, that's not a huge disparity. He may very well lose the Derby and so will 19 other horses, but to say he won't win again is beyond me. Also, look at how slow some of the fractions have been this year. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he could be out there loose with an easy lead.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Only one piece of 'scat' is going to stick. See my avatar. LOL

shouldn't the lettering on the hat be brown?? maybe with bits of corn in it???? lol

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

My post suggests no such thing, my post suggests that he's tactical enough to be where he needs to be, that's my point. You may have your fan club on here, but do not talk down to me. I think I made good points and stated them clearly, but you only want to interject your opinion of what I may be thinking. I don't know how someone can be so bold to throw out so many of this years contenders, they are all so closely grouped that I would listen to almost anyone's opinion on the Derby this year. Also, I don't know how you can say that he's so slow that he's only 5 points off the top Beyer for this year, that's not a huge disparity. He may very well lose the Derby and so will 19 other horses, but to say he won't win again is beyond me. Also, look at how slow some of the fractions have been this year. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that he could be out there loose with an easy lead.

First of all the following are YOUR words and they are what I answered...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

but at some point you have to credit the horse for taking advantage of those biases and setups.

As for your insults about my supposed " fan club " and " talking down to you "....so that's what it is? You have some problem with me and are interpreting my comments because of it? That's absurd and nothing about my response was " talking down to you ". I answered what YOU said.

I stated my opinion about Cowtown Cat. You don't agree....that's fine. But making personal remarks are completely unnecessary and the kind of crap that makes people not want to post here.

[JDank34]

A GREAT change was announced today from Team Pletcher regarding AGS...Garrett Gomez has accepted the mount.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

First of all the following are YOUR words and they are what I answered...



As for your insults about my supposed " fan club " and " talking down to you "....so that's what it is? You have some problem with me and are interpreting my comments because of it? That's absurd and nothing about my response was " talking down to you ". I answered what YOU said.

I stated my opinion about Cowtown Cat. You don't agree....that's fine. But making personal remarks are completely unnecessary and the kind of crap that makes people not want to post here.

I do not have any problem with you, this is the 2nd time you have made remarks about something that I have posted that I believe are in bad taste and I don't really care for it.

You had to put your little spin in there about the horse being smart enough where to run, that was uncalled for

And me calling you out for your subtle slight is not going to get someone from not posting here, it's the slight that would cause them not to post.

You can't always chalk a horse up to winning, because of taking advantage of pace set ups, sometimes it's the talent of the horse to be adaptable enough to win under different scenarios, the horse has won at 4 different tracks.

[JDank34]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I do not have any problem with you, this is the 2nd time you have made remarks about something that I have posted that I believe are in bad taste and I don't really care for it.

You had to put your little spin in there about the horse being smart enough where to run, that was uncalled for

And me calling you out for your subtle slight is not going to get someone from not posting here, it's the slight that would cause them not to post.

You can't always chalk a horse up to winning, because of taking advantage of pace set ups, sometimes it's the talent of the horse to be adaptable enough to win under different scenarios, the horse has won at 4 different tracks.

Geez....all this over a horse (CC) that would be 15-1 in tthe f***ing St. Louis Derby for gosh sakes...he is horribly SLOW

[golfer]

I, for one, am a member of the Andy Serling fan club. I was a HUGE fan of the Twilight Zone.

what's that, wrong guy....

oops, disregard

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

You can't always chalk a horse up to winning, because of taking advantage of pace set ups, sometimes it's the talent of the horse to be adaptable enough to win under different scenarios, the horse has won at 4 different tracks.

Good luck with Cowtown Cat in the Derby. Even in a year laced with such mediocrity....I can't see Cowtown Cat finishing in the money.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Good luck with Cowtown Cat in the Derby. Even in a year laced with such mediocrity....I can't see Cowtown Cat finishing in the money.

But remember now, before you totally dismiss him, he has won at four different tracks.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

But remember now, before you totally dismiss him, he has won at four different tracks.

And at four different distances to boot! Why, he must be the second coming of Dr. Fager!

His two stake wins coming over the AQU Inner dirt track, and at Hawthorne. At the expense of such immortals as Wafi City and Reporting for Duty.

He's not for me!---interestingly enough, BRIS has him as the outright fastest horse on their figs coming into the Derby.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

And at four different distances to boot! Why, he must be the second coming of Dr. Fager!

His two stake wins coming over the AQU Inner dirt track, and at Hawthorne. At the expense of such immortals as Wafi City and Reporting for Duty.

He's not for me!---interestingly enough, BRIS has him as the outright fastest horse on their figs coming into the Derby.

yeah I know, 106!

Amazing that with that monster figure that Reporting for Duty and Bold start were within 2-3 lengths of him.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

True dat

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

But remember now, before you totally dismiss him, he has won at four different tracks.

His adoring fan showed up, you can't let a BTW post go up without trying to interject some stupid comment to try and gain favor with him.

He doesn't have to take his track with him. If a horse can show versatility and the ability to ship, that's a positive. All I hear is he's slow and no one has given me any evidence of how he's so slow he's only 5 points off of the top BSF. If someone can explain that logic to me, I would love to hear it. Besides, I'll wait and look at the Sheets if he looks slow there, then I will discount him, because I believe those are superior numbers to the BSF's.

[golfer]

Point, his TG top before Hawthorne was a 4.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by golfer

Point, his TG top before Hawthorne was a 4.

Thanks, I haven't looked at them yet. Someone with something constructive to say. Like I said at the beginning if they have him slow, I would believe them, but I see alot of Beyer fans here who claim that he's slow and he's only 5 points slower off of the Beyer top. They'll probably put their figs up next week as a pre purchase for all of the Derby preps, we'll see what the Ill Derby comes up and go from there.