132nd Preakness Stakes Field

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Zippy Chippy

I hate to interrupt Pletcherfest, but I just had a question about Pimlico. I think I was listening to ATRAB the other day and somebody described it as a course with tighter turns and a shorter stretch than Churchill Downs. If this is true, do these features give any advantages or disadvantages to any certain running styles? I would be interested in hearing what people think.

Every year, the topic comes up and it's assumed that the dynamics of the course give frontrunners a greater chance to succeed than at CD, and while that may indeed be true, historically, the most successful horse at PIM is the stalker, coming from just off the pace.

I think it'll be interesting if Street Sense is able to hug the rail like he always does with the tight turns, because chances are, there will be room with horses fanning wide.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Sedgefield can be scratched off the list. Story at DRF.

[tycharles01]

Is Street Sense and Hard Spun that good that only Teuflesberg wants to challenge them again?? WOW

U would think atleast 1 or 2 of these closers would try and see what they can do

[tycharles01]

Liqudity pointed to Ohio Derby

Great Hunter to Belmont Stakes


But funniest

STORMELLO main goal is the Breeder's Cup Dirt Mile????

Do they know that there will be actual Grade 1 winners and not just allowance and grade 3 winners?

[tycharles01]

Just read that Mint Slewlep is gonna enter the Preakness

See this is what happens when we cant find 14 good horses

[slotdirt]

Just finally back from the Derby, and wow to Hard Spun. What an effort.

Originally Posted by merasmag

anyone else think pletcher looks like bill clinton...and his wife ethel kennedy? sedgefield benefited from the track condition, won't happen at pm

Hmm, I dont recall Clinton ever being married to Ethel Kennedy, but I'm sure if she ever got close to him he'd have shagged her.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by easy goer

Hmm, I dont recall Clinton ever being married to Ethel Kennedy, but I'm sure if she ever got close to him he'd have shagged her.

Pretty sure he was saying that Pletcher's wife looks like Ethel Kennedy. LOL

oh, sorry. She was nice looking back in the day, her recent appearances not very becoming. My wife has that same New england look.

[tycharles01]

11 horses so far for the Preakness

Street Sense, Curlin, Hard Spun, Teuflesberg, Flying First Class, Starbase, Chelokee, King of the Roxy, Xchanger, C P West, and Mint Slewlep.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by tycharles01

11 horses so far for the Preakness

Street Sense, Curlin, Hard Spun, Teuflesberg, Flying First Class, Starbase, Chelokee, King of the Roxy, Xchanger, C P West, and Mint Slewlep.

all along tho they've said only one lukas will run here, the other in the barbaro nee sir barton stakes.

[tycharles01]

Was said I think Tues that he might point them both to the Preakness because they are both running good???

I also heard 1 here and 1 to Sir Barton but that was the list I saw on ntra.com site

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by tycharles01

Was said I think Tues that he might point them both to the Preakness because they are both running good???

I also heard 1 here and 1 to Sir Barton but that was the list I saw on ntra.com site

no doubt they're both entered, but i think he'll split them up....but then again, ya neva know.

[herkhorse]

Originally Posted by Zippy Chippy

I hate to interrupt Pletcherfest, but I just had a question about Pimlico. I think I was listening to ATRAB the other day and somebody described it as a course with tighter turns and a shorter stretch than Churchill Downs. If this is true, do these features give any advantages or disadvantages to any certain running styles? I would be interested in hearing what people think.

I was listening too. What I thought Steve said was the turns were not tighter, but less banked, making it harder for horses that were wide on the turns to navigate. Possibly this is a post position issue? How far is it to the first turn?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Zippy Chippy

I hate to interrupt Pletcherfest, but I just had a question about Pimlico. I think I was listening to ATRAB the other day and somebody described it as a course with tighter turns and a shorter stretch than Churchill Downs. If this is true, do these features give any advantages or disadvantages to any certain running styles? I would be interested in hearing what people think.

I remember seeing something last year about this where someone superimposed Pimlico over Churchill and the turns were just about exactly the same. The tighter turns are allegedly a myth.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I think that the "Pimlico has tighter turns that favor frontrunners" angle is on its last legs. I don't hear it nearly as much as I did 10 years ago. Stalkers and closers do well in this race.

I recall a Paul Moran column (Newsday, Long Island) years ago in which he wrote that the degree of sharpness of its turns were measured against that of Churchill Downs, and that they were almost the same. This might sound counterintuitive, but it was such a radical departure from the "tighter turns" theory that I believed the information that Moran cited.

You are exactly right, the "tight turns" at Pimlico is a myth. The major difference, obviously, is the difference between the Churchill/Pimlico turns and the far sweeping turns at Belmont. Not that I like him, but I think Jerry Bailey debunked this tight turns theory on the Preakness ESPN broadcast last May.

[tycharles01]

Flying First Class is IN

Teuflesberg and Starbase are OUT


Damn how many lengths did SS win the Derby by 50??? Before they have the draw we might see 6 horses in a race on the TC

[Kasept]

1. Street Sense
2. Hard Spun
3. Curlin
4. King of the Roxy
5. Mint Slewlep
6. Xchanger
7. Flying First Class

A. C. P. West*
B. Chelokee*


*Expected but not definite..

[tycharles01]

From article CP West looks def even got Prado to ride him

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by tycharles01

From article CP West looks def even got Prado to ride him

Will confirm after workout.. Monday I think..