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[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Kasept

For the record.. the splits..

CURLIN

:24.2
:23.2
:23.1
:23.3
:18.4

1:53.2


STREET SENSE

:24.3
:23.2
:23.3
:23.0 <= !!!
:18.4

1:53.2

Note the <=...

As Andy Serling said months ago after the Tampa race, Street Sense is a rail running son of a gun... There's a big difference in making that move in the 4th quarter on the rail and in the fourth quarter 3-4 paths out. And that difference is certainly more than the short head he lost by today. You can say he 'hung', but it's a silly description for a horse that is actually just lacking the late punch in the final strides because of the effort he put out earlier in the race.

The fact is that that quarter mile move had been enough in half his races to put away ALL the competition. Today he ran into a better horse who was in reality running almost the identical race as him.. Better by the length of his muzzle.

Two supremely talented horses.. A rare treat these days...

[todko]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

That's BS. This had nothing to do with Street Sense's quality. Just say his own bad habits beat him but don't go trying to say he didn't have enough talent to win. And clean trip? He had a little issue earlier in the race or did you miss that? Not a huge problem but momentum wasn't unimpeded. As far as the stretch and Curlin, both of them hung but when they hung is what mattered. Curlin did but had time to rebreak when Street Sense went by. SS hung and Curlin didn't go by til it was too late for SS to go again. Not to say Curlin's not a fantastic horse but SS beat himself. Blast.

SS got lucky in the Derby. He had a dream trip while Curlin had a nightmare ride.

Street Sense had nothing left.

Curlin didn't hang -- he motored by and tied the Preakness record. A better jock and he would have been the Derby champ too.

[Unstable]

This was the type of race you wish most big races were. The only question about Curlin was whether his inexperience would show and how much heart he has. He proved it today.

I wanted Street Sense to win. I think if you put him in with the horses from many of the recent years, he wins the Triple Crown. I think if the race was a little longer, Street Sense comes back at Curlin.

I think Pino moved Hard Spun that soon in the race to see if he could take the heart out of the horses. These horses do not lack heart. I hope we see them all in the coming months and especially in the Breeders' Cup.

How did I do today? I had bets on all three horses on top of exotics. Luckily, my bet (the 9th of 10) with Curlin on top, basically a saver bet, was the superfecta. I guess if you ask yourself "What if?" enough times, you'll come up with the right answer.

[brockguy]

It certainly was a brilliant race to savour.. I went down to my friend's to watch it (who had cable!) and my friend and his parents were absolutely enthralled by the end of it.. That's the way it should be..

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Unstable

I think Pino moved Hard Spun that soon in the race to see if he could take the heart out of the horses. These horses do not lack heart. I hope we see them all in the coming months and especially in the Breeders' Cup.

Pretty sure that Larry Jones wasn't at the Preakness to "take the heart out of the horses." I highly doubt that Pino was advised to take that approach.

[Unstable]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Pretty sure that Larry Jones wasn't at the Preakness to "take the heart out of the horses." I highly doubt that Pino was advised to take that approach.

I didn't say it was the wisest move by Pino. Maybe he thought he had more horse than he had. Or, maybe he thought he didn't have enough horse unless he made that move. I doubt it was in the instructions from Jones.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Unstable

I didn't say it was the wisest move by Pino. Maybe he thought he had more horse than he had. Or, maybe he thought he didn't have enough horse unless he made that move. I doubt it was in the instructions from Jones.

It was definitely a boneheaded ride by Pino. I doubt Hard Spun wins, but he sure could have been closer. Oh well... I hope they opt to skip the Belmont with Hard Spun.

[Unstable]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

It was definitely a boneheaded ride by Pino. I doubt Hard Spun wins, but he sure could have been closer. Oh well... I hope they opt to skip the Belmont with Hard Spun.

I hope they give him a rest and bring him back in the fall with a new jockey.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by todko

SS got lucky in the Derby. He had a dream trip while Curlin had a nightmare ride.

Street Sense had nothing left.

Curlin didn't hang -- he motored by and tied the Preakness record. A better jock and he would have been the Derby champ too.

I'm no Albarado fan, but that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm no Albarado fan, but that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.

Ill have to second that. Too many horses and too much to overcome that had nothing to do with Albarado.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

. Oh well... I hope they opt to skip the Belmont with Hard Spun.

Oh good gosh they have to. 4 weeks and two races that this horse has been pushed very hard.

[King Glorious]

Maybe hung is not the best description. But there is definitely something going on that's sort of a pattern. There may be valid excuses of why a horse seems to let up a little once he gets the lead. Maybe it's the result of thinking the race is over. Or it could be for the reason u gave today, that the strong move he put in earlier took away some of his late punch. Whatever the reason, valid or not, that doesn't take away from the fact that it's happened to him on a number of occassions. The racing form comments for those two races last year were "no winning bid" and "weakened". I don't know what it will be for today's race but he had the race won and then he didn't. It reminded me of Perfect Drift in the Whitney against Roses in May. Perhaps today was just getting outrun by a very good horse. No disgrace or shame in that. Could the key be to wait even longer with him than they usually do? Maybe he's the kind of horse that u want to time his move to where he didn't the front till the wire. Maybe they need to bring Eddie Delahoussaye out of retirement to ride him. I don't know what the answers are or what the reasons are but I would wonder if it might not be kind of disturbing to his people that he's had a problem finishing some races off. In nine career starts, he's given it up late in at least a third of them.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by justindew

Maybe I need to watch the replay a few more times, but it seems to me that 99 times out of 100, when a horse the caliber of Street Sense passes another horse in the final 1/4 mile, the race is over. It looked to me like Street Sense quit. I don't know if "hung" is the right word.

99 out of 100 is about right.

The horse was 8th after a 1/4 mile, 8th after a half mile, 7th after 3/4's (and always behind Curlin) He leaves him for dead on the far turn...and has a 1 1/2 length lead at the stretch call according to the chart....it was a much much more extreme case than the Tiznow/Sakhee example in the Breeders Cup Classic a few years back.

I sent Kiri's Clown a six hour tape of some great horse races from the last 20 years---he should have the tape by Monday or Tuesday---I added Street Cry's 2-year-old races with Flame Thrower....I couldn't find his UAE Derby loss.

I think you guys will notice a lot of similarites between SS and his sire, when you see them on Youtube.

In both of his losses to Flame Thrower, the speed figure came back giant, if not the fastest runnings of the Norfolk and Del Mar Futurity of all-time, they're certainly among the top two or three on figures.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I'm no Albarado fan, but that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.

Delivered to us by one of racing on the internets' top trolls...

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by brockguy

It certainly was a brilliant race to savour.. I went down to my friend's to watch it (who had cable!) and my friend and his parents were absolutely enthralled by the end of it.. That's the way it should be..

you are so right. that race was worth the price of admission. So many races get a big build-up then turn out to be ho-hum affairs. Not this one.

[justindew]

I have a feeling I am going to regret asking this, but what is a "troll"?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Unstable

I think Pino moved Hard Spun that soon in the race to see if he could take the heart out of the horses. These horses do not lack heart. I hope we see them all in the coming months and especially in the Breeders' Cup.

I kind of see where u are going with this. I think. It looked to me like Pino was thinking that it was time to win that race and win it NOW. He knew how Street Sense had blown by him in the Derby. He knew how much ground Curlin made up in the lane in Kentucky. The way for him to win the race was not by outrunning them in the lane. I felt he made the right move at the right time. Open up on them and make them make a decision. At the time he made his move, Curlin and SS were starting to get into the race. If he waits longer, I don't think he could have opened up the necessary ground on them to be able to hold them off in the lane. By making the move when he did, I think he was trying to dictate to them that they better go now too or else he might be gone. Maybe that would take away some of their late punch too. Personally, I feel like that was Hard Spun's only chance to win the race was by going when he did.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

your are so right. that race was worth the price of admission. So many races get a big build-up then turn out to be ho-hum affairs. Not this one.

My daughter's basketball coach who knows I love racing but knows nothing about it called me right after the finish out of nowhere, and said his heart was throbbing. He said he did not realize the sport was so exciting. I had to tell him he saw one of the best races he will see. So I think the general public got a big thrill out of this one.

[Cajungator26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

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Originally Posted by justindew

I have a feeling I am going to regret asking this, but what is a "troll"?

Someone who posts overly negavite, critical or messages meant to inflame passions about a subject others care about.

or... Little dwarfish men with warts and long stragly hair that hide under bridges scaring the crap out of kids.