why are vegetarians so angry?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I feel I have justly assumed Mr. Happy has been well taken care of over his lifetime.

he has...organically and non-organically

Originally Posted by GPK

he has...organically and non-organically

In my case its a sad tale of woe. He has run away. I'm just hoping I dont find his picture on a milk carton.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Genuine,

Where can you find humanely raised meat? I'm thinking about becoming a vegetarian again, but my blood type (A negative) has a hard time doing the vegetarian thing without becoming anemic. I used to get sick and weak very easily (even eating the things I was supposed to.)

didn't know that about a-, explains why i fight anemia i suppose.


why are veg's so angry? i'd be angry if i thought i'd never get to enjoy a medium rare steak again!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Danzig

didn't know that about a-, explains why i fight anemia i suppose.


why are veg's so angry? i'd be angry if i thought i'd never get to enjoy a medium rare steak again!

You have A- blood too? I read somewhere that only 6% of the US population has that type... I got lucky because my ex husband had A- blood too... when I got pregnant, I didn't have to have that shot of rhogam because we had the same blood type.

[timmgirvan]

Anyone who is anemic should be tested for pernicious anemia...it is deadly if not caught in time! Simple blood test...better than having organs failing and not knowing it till....

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Anyone who is anemic should be tested for pernicious anemia...it is deadly if not caught in time! Simple blood test...better than having organs failing and not knowing it till....

I don't think I'm anemic although I have always had very low blood pressure (had it checked yesterday at the doctor and it was 106/68.) Is that bad? Sometimes I get lightheaded, but other than that, no major symptoms.

[Cajungator26]

Deb,

This is hilarious... I don't know about you, but some of these are true for me! (Scroll down to the end of the article.) LOL

http://groups.msn.com/StarChildren/rhnegativeblood.msnw

I guess that those of us who have RH negative blood are definitely the minority... only 15% of humans have it. Interesting...

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I don't think I'm anemic although I have always had very low blood pressure (had it checked yesterday at the doctor and it was 106/68.) Is that bad? Sometimes I get lightheaded, but other than that, no major symptoms.

Caujn: Getting lightheaded or dizzy isn't good...better to be safe than sorry! you're too young to worry about that stuff...so get it checked

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by pgardn

and they have good bowel movements, just too many.

You know how it goes, getting ready to bite into a massive head of Iceberg Lettuce, and the moment is lost when the sphincter sends it's time to dance message.

I think there is a huge misperception out there about vegetarians, and about what they eat, and about their bathroom habits, etc. They eat a lot more than lettuce. They eat fruits, vegetables, grains, tofu, nuts, legumes, etc.

I feel very healthy when I'm eating vegan and my bathroom habits are no different from when I used to eat nothing but meat. I'm not a total vegan, but I often go 2-3 days at a time eating strictly vegan. I'll eat fish once or twice a week. I may have chicken a couple of times a month and I may have a piece of red meat once a month.

I think it's much healthier to keep your meat intake to a minimum. There are so many things to eat out there that don't come from an animal. I love the fresh peanut-butter at Whole Foods Market. I have peanut-butter sandwiches all the time. I eat a lot of guacamole. I eat been burritos. I like some veggie-burgers. If I go to Subway, I'll get an avocado, lettuce and tomato sandwich.

They have some great vegan restaurants here is Los Angeles. I'm surprised how quickly I took a liking to the food at these restaurants. The first time I ever went to a vegan restaurant about 10 years ago, I had no idea what to expect. It was all new to me because I grew up like most kids, eating hot-dogs, hamburgers, corned-beef sandwiches, etc. But even the first time I went to one of these restaurants, I really enjoyed the food. It really opened my eyes to a totally different way of eating. When I was younger, I thought that the centerpiece of every meal was some type of meat. For lunch I would have either a hamburger, a turkey burger, a tuna sandwich, a turkey sandwich or something like that. For dinner, I would have chicken, fish, or red meat. Now I realize that there are other satisfying options.

I actually feel much better when I have a vegan meal. I feel satisfied but I don't get that full, uncomfortable feeling that I often get when I eat meat.

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I don't think I'm anemic although I have always had very low blood pressure (had it checked yesterday at the doctor and it was 106/68.) Is that bad? Sometimes I get lightheaded, but other than that, no major symptoms.

That blood pressureis GREAT I wish mine was that good.

[hi_im_god]

mine is 0/0

top that.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think there is a huge misperception out there about vegetarians, and about what they eat, and about their bathroom habits, etc. They eat a lot more than lettuce. They eat fruits, vegetables, grains, tofu, nuts, legumes, etc.

I feel very healthy when I'm eating vegan and my bathroom habits are no different from when I used to eat nothing but meat. I'm not a total vegan, but I often go 2-3 days at a time eating strictly vegan. I'll eat fish once or twice a week. I may have chicken a couple of times a month and I may have a piece of red meat once a month.

Rupert.
Meats dont contain fiber (cellulose derivatives). Fiber does something very special. It absorbs a very large amount of water and it cannot be broken down by our digestive tract. When one's large intestines get stretched by this wonderful combination of cellulose and water, a message(and massage) is sent to the brain causing contractions. These contractions can be caused other ways (an especially discomforting way is when Salmonella give off their wonderful toxins that help illicit contractions of the stomach and intestines, rectum... projectile vomiting and explosive mud slides often result in combination). The cellulose is a great way to bulge those smooth muscles and make them contract in a healthy regular way unlike meat.

And my good man, if you go #2, two to three times a day, congrats.
Thats a very good boy. My mom used to tell me this.
If you want to get a really interesting brand of cellulose try corn. If you tell me your #2 looks just the same as when only eating meat, report immediately back to me... no, check that, go to the closest entomologist because you might be a termite (actually termites have the right type of bacteria to break a very stubborn bond between glucose molecules in cellulose). You too might be able to digest cellulose which would be cool because you could eat wood and paper and get calories out of that. Forget the Vegan stuff. Newspaper with a bit of sawdust. Heck if you can digest cellulose, try and go out and lay in the California sun. If you grow (not while observing females in swimsuits... not that growth), you might also be able to photosynthesize. Which would make you a termite and a plant.

This is a community service message brought to you by pgardn. Bowel specialist.

For even more fun try the following. Black beans, cooked cabbage, jalapenos and red wine (Burgundy). DO NOT attempt to date unless you want to be dumped... in more than one way. Just kidding... do not eat the above in combination.

[witchdoctor]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

mine is 0/0

top that.

We have a technical term for that. You must be DEAD.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Rupert.
Meats dont contain fiber (cellulose derivatives). Fiber does something very special. It absorbs a very large amount of water and it cannot be broken down by our digestive tract. When one's large intestines get stretched by this wonderful combination of cellulose and water, a message(and massage) is sent to the brain causing contractions. These contractions can be caused other ways (an especially discomforting way is when Salmonella give off their wonderful toxins that help illicit contractions of the stomach and intestines, rectum... projectile vomiting and explosive mud slides often result in combination). The cellulose is a great way to bulge those smooth muscles and make them contract in a healthy regular way unlike meat.

And my good man, if you go #2, two to three times a day, congrats.
Thats a very good boy. My mom used to tell me this.
If you want to get a really interesting brand of cellulose try corn. If you tell me your #2 looks just the same as when only eating meat, report immediately back to me... no, check that, go to the closest entomologist because you might be a termite (actually termites have the right type of bacteria to break a very stubborn bond between glucose molecules in cellulose). You too might be able to digest cellulose which would be cool because you could eat wood and paper and get calories out of that. Forget the Vegan stuff. Newspaper with a bit of sawdust. Heck if you can digest cellulose, try and go out and lay in the California sun. If you grow (not while observing females in swimsuits... not that growth), you might also be able to photosynthesize. Which would make you a termite and a plant.

This is a community service message brought to you by pgardn. Bowel specialist.

For even more fun try the following. Black beans, cooked cabbage, jalapenos and red wine (Burgundy). DO NOT attempt to date unless you want to be dumped... in more than one way. Just kidding... do not eat the above in combination.

If you substitute a tuna sandwich with a peanut-butter sandwich for lunch and then you substitute a hamburger for a soy-burger for dinner, you're not going to suddenly be going to the bathroom 5 times a day. I doubt you will see much difference at all.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If you substitute a tuna sandwich with a peanut-butter sandwich for lunch and then you substitute a hamburger for a soy-burger for dinner, you're not going to suddenly be going to the bathroom 5 times a day. I doubt you will see much difference at all.

You are right there because they are all high in protein and contain minimal cellulose. Soybeans are a great protein sub. and so is peanut butter except peanut butter contains a heck of a lot of oil also (I drain it off the top in the Scudders). So you can get fat on peanut butter.

Im all with you on fish. It has great taste if caught fresh and many good types of oil. I will be stocking my freezer with Redfish from the bays of the Texas coastline starting next week.

[GenuineRisk]

Such a good thread and I've had to miss it for days...

Rupert, you are what I call a "flexitarian." I consider myself one, also, although my meat intake is even lower.

Cajun, farmer's markets are great resources for buying humanely raised meat. Other good tips are if the meat is certified "organic" (not "natural," which means virutally nothing. Organic doesn't guarantee the animal was raised outdoors, but it does mean they had some access to fresh air and were not ever fed animal or animal by-products (which is how the whole mad-cow mess started). "Grass-fed" and "grass-finished" are also very good terms to see.

In your case, if you want to cut back on meat you may just have to compromise with your body and find the minimum amount of meat you need to stay healthy. I admit I'm lucky in that I can go without meat and not feel tired (though excessive sugar saps me). Even cutting back on meat is still a great thing for the environment and for limiting the proliferation of factory farms. I think one of the things people get stuck on with the vegetarian thing is thinking that it's an all-or-nothing proposition and it's not. Every little bit helps- it's not useless to just cut back, either, and that way people who need more animal protein won't go into anemia in their attempts to help the planet.

I have low blood pressure, too, and sometimes the world goes black for a few seconds if I stand up too quickly. And I have A positive.