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Cannon Shell · #61 06-09-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I hope people don't get too carried away and talk about her like she's an all-time great filly...and certainly this was no all-time great training job.

Rags to Riches simply belonged in this race....last out, she ran an identical speed figure to what older male Wanderin Boy earned---while over the same track, on the same day, with the more difficult trip of the two. Which assured she'd be in this race--regardless of whoelse did or didn't show.

From a pedigree standpoint, she projected for major improvement on the three furlong stretchout in distance....as she's by the #1 dirt racing distance sire in the game---and out of tremendously stamina laden female family.

She owned a gigantic edge in pedigree over Curlin for the distance---and, getting five pounds in weight over 12 furlongs didn't hurt either.

Don't get me wrong---she certainly enhanced her standing with her performance today...but not as much as people seem to be acting. I've liked her a lot all along---but I just hope people don't get carried away.

She is very good...and he did a good job of training her considering she ran about 1 5/8ths

somerfrost · #62 06-09-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I hope people don't get too carried away and talk about her like she's an all-time great filly...and certainly this was no all-time great training job.

Rags to Riches simply belonged in this race....last out, she ran an identical speed figure to what older male Wanderin Boy earned---while over the same track, on the same day, with the more difficult trip of the two. Which assured she'd be in this race--regardless of whoelse did or didn't show.

From a pedigree standpoint, she projected for major improvement on the three furlong stretchout in distance....as she's by the #1 dirt racing distance sire in the game---and out of tremendously stamina laden female family.

She owned a gigantic edge in pedigree over Curlin for the distance---and, getting five pounds in weight over 12 furlongs didn't hurt either.

Don't get me wrong---she certainly enhanced her standing with her performance today...but not as much as people seem to be acting. I've liked her a lot all along---but I just hope people don't get carried away.

She's the first filly in history to win the Belmont at 12 furlongs and she beat a freak in Curlin...I don't think that one can help but think that she may join the best....she needs to beat the boys again and beat older horses, if she does that...she breaks into the short list. I see her as sorta like Lady's Secret (different style to a degree but she reminds me of her grit)...the top two fillies ever to race imo are Kincsem and Ruffian, not near those yet but certainly could be as good as any others!

Mortimer · #63 06-09-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

retch is puke
i think you mean wretch.

You have a way with words.

I said it the way I meant it which is the way I spelled it....and it's not what you say it means.

Mortimer · #64 06-09-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Yes, A+ for you.

No.

But have it your way.

Dunbar · #65 06-09-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

you know gomez has to be sick! oh man, he wanted on her bad. i don't know who gets her next--garrett won with her four times.

rock paper scissors--him and johnny!

JV showed a lot of class in the ABC interview. Gave Gomez credit for telling him not to abuse R2R (cause she always gives 110% anyway). Then JV said part of the victory was Gomez's because of his earlier rides on R2R.

Pretty generous, IMO.

--Dunbar

10 pnt move up · #66 06-09-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

She's the first filly in history to win the Belmont at 12 furlongs and she beat a freak in Curlin...I don't think that one can help but think that she may join the best....she needs to beat the boys again and beat older horses, if she does that...she breaks into the short list. I see her as sorta like Lady's Secret (different style to a degree but she reminds me of her grit)...the top two fillies ever to race imo are Kincsem and Ruffian, not near those yet but certainly could be as good as any others!

She needs to run a bit faster, the best fillys run around 110 beyers, she needs to get there, but she could if you are looking at historical contest. I think Inside Information ran a 119.

Danzig · #67 06-09-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

No.

But have it your way.

you're just mad cause i got an a, and you didn't.

Cannon Shell · #68 06-09-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

She's the first filly in history to win the Belmont at 12 furlongs and she beat a freak in Curlin...

I believe that Curlins status as a freak is a little bit cloudy

Antitrust32 · #69 06-09-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mortimerdexterfoxworthy

No.

But have it your way.

OOOOOOOOOO

you are learning very nicely!

Mortimer · #70 06-09-2007, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

OOOOOOOOOO

you are learning very nicely!

Wretch.

Mortimer · #71 06-09-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

you're just mad cause i got an a, and you didn't.

Concubine.

The Indomitable DrugS · #72 06-09-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

She is very good...and he did a good job of training her considering she ran about 1 5/8ths

I'll have to study the race, and watch it a few more times---but, Belmont Park is different from other places, and I'm not so sure she didn't "out-trip" Curlin.

Cannon Shell · #73 06-09-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'll have to study the race, and watch it a few more times---but, Belmont Park is different from other places, and I'm not so sure she didn't "out-trip" Curlin.

I will save you the time...she didn't

The Indomitable DrugS · #74 06-09-2007, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe that Curlins status as a freak is a little bit cloudy

To his credit---he answered the bell every time...and made a good account of himself in all three triple crown races.

From a pedigree standpoint--what he has done has been nothing short of freaky....because anyone who studies pedigree and is honest with themselves about it...knows that he's not the type of horse who's supposed to be effective at a classic distance.

But yeah, this has been a low-rated crop of 3yo males that Curlin has excelled in.

The Indomitable DrugS · #75 06-09-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I will save you the time...she didn't

Either way...her winning was slightly to my advantage.....and IMO, you really can't answer something like that with confidence so quickly.

timmgirvan · #76 06-09-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Fillies winning Belmont, Pletcher shows emotion, Albarado riding well, Seattle picking winners....

BT's right ....the world is coming to an end! But seriously..what a talent that filly is,huh?

Cannon Shell · #77 06-09-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

To his credit---he answered the bell every time...and made a good account of himself in all three triple crown races.

From a pedigree standpoint--what he has done has been nothing short of freaky....because anyone who studies pedigree and is honest with themselves about it...knows that he's not the type of horse who's supposed to be effective at a classic distance.

But yeah, this has been a low-rated crop of 3yo males that Curlin has excelled in.

I guess I'm getting old but making a good account of himself doesn't really equate into freak status. He is a very good horse who has accomplished much in a short period of time but I like my freaks to win.

On another note- I think that the purchase and pending retirement of Hard Spun is one of the really distressing signs of trouble in our sport. I mean it is one thing to retire horses who WIN classic races early, but to rush horses like him to the shed without ever winning a major race is a sad thing. Not to say he wont(though I would bet against it) but he was sold for multiple grade 1 money and he is a zero time grade 1 winner.

Cannon Shell · #78 06-09-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Either way...her winning was slightly to my advantage.....and IMO, you really can't answer something like that with confidence so quickly.

I'm happy you won ....Curlin had a dream trip...she didn't.

Danzig · #79 06-09-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I guess I'm getting old but making a good account of himself doesn't really equate into freak status. He is a very good horse who has accomplished much in a short period of time but I like my freaks to win.

On another note- I think that the purchase and pending retirement of Hard Spun is one of the really distressing signs of trouble in our sport. I mean it is one thing to retire horses who WIN classic races early, but to rush horses like him to the shed without ever winning a major race is a sad thing. Not to say he wont(though I would bet against it) but he was sold for multiple grade 1 money and he is a zero time grade 1 winner.

he's running faster to the shed than he has to the finish line in these grade ones because of his pedigree--just like holy roman emperor, who didn't even start at three! it is a shame.

now you have to wonder if he runs again. i hope he does, but darley might not want him to.

Stall Mucker · #80 06-09-2007, 08:09 PM

What a Belmont. I liked Rags from the time of entry and she did not disappoint.
Yes, I got the sick feeling at the start and was screamin at the finish. The dog is now avoiding me.