Jamie Sanders

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

laugh if you will...but its true,,,the last place you can find wayne lukas is at the barn where the horses are. same with almost all these guys,,,think about it someone says they see all these trainers around? what are they around? not horses because if you are seeing them, if they arent like making some horse jog in a circle while they hold the rope, or have them standing with only one front foot on the ground and counting with the other foot on command(like trigger, now the guy that taught him to count, thats a horse trainer) seriously i really wanna know what these trainers do so differently...its like some trainer puts blinkers on a horse and he wins, WTF
does that make him a genious,,,ill tell ya what , lets say we make anybody that reads the form a horse trainer for a day, the groom asks senor you want blinkers today? i say yep, or maybe i say nope lets try without them and see if the horse does better,,,,now that is barnam and bailey like training,i mean the guys that make lions and tigers jump through burning hoops while some bimbo blond is swinging on a trapeze above that trainers head who is in with those lions and tigers, that is not training , deciding if the horse should have blinkers, thats real training . race horse trainer? thats an oxymoron, thats like a guy that trains dogs to bark.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Your ideas are intriguing and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

I think I will wait for the movie.

Originally Posted by JJP

All I know is that if you eliminate betting on 2% trainers, you will save yourself a lot of money.

unless you bet them when they win. because i have made way way way more money betting on a 2% trainer that i knew was gonna win on a certain day than i have betting on those 15% guys that just grind your money up day in day out,,,jamie sanders is every bit, no a better horse trainer than todd pletcher, but pletcher is a way way better business person, thus he gets the horses she dont, so she bought some cheap ones and got a little lucky,give her a bunch of horses that cost $300k+ she will become a much better trainer, but it has to also be managed
i dont have a clue about that part of her operation. she watched(talkedonthe phone) zito every day for like 10 years, pretty much ran the operation, thats as per him,,,i wanna know what secrets he kept from her during that time? now she was there all the time he wasnt so was he consulting with a hypnotist that could channel his win % to 20%,,,i mean what is it that he was doing while she worked for him that she isnt doing now?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by slewpy

whos barn were you in to see if they were training or doing something with the horses? or did you see them around , watching works, talking to the owners? because if you saw them traning horses then you had to be in the barn, when you watched these guys train what types of equipment did they have with them? i mean horses dont understand sign language as far as i know, did those guys have whips with them? or were they just hanging around?
thats funny i worked for one of the trainers you mentioned at saratoga year before last and that trainer didnt even come to the barn the 1st 2 weeks i worked there, and then he came in to saddle a horse for a stakes race, and that morning he sat in the office all but about 1 hour, then he left at about 8:30 and never came back, he saddled the horse in the paddock, the horse ran 3rd, he left and didnt come back to saratoga until a week later to sadle another horse in a stakes race........during the saratoga sales which last for about 8 days or so. guys like lukas, ward(his wife is in charge)zito spend the whole day at the sale sociallizing,,,so during those 8 days or so who is training those horses? btw i am not saying that these horses arent getting well cared for,,,but it sure as hell aint by steve assmussen when he is in dallas and the horses are in ny,,,he aint training nothin but people he hasnt trained a horse in years that cant be done on the telephone,,,,baffert went to the derby and mentioned that he had been there for 4 days,,,,he didnt have a horse in the derby did he? so who was training those horses?OH AND BY THE WAY, NONE OF THESE GUYS ARE HORSE TRAINERS, they are horse conditioners, duh!!!!! train a horse to run? they are like personal trainers to people, a horse trainer teaches horses how to do things, todd pletcher isnt physically training those horses to do anything, he is tellin the gallop boys what to do and the rest of his time at the barn(all while talking on the cell phone) is spent with veterinarins,,,,,a guy like pletcher spends the vast majority of his time on the phone i bettcha that guy is on the phone 12 hours everyday and the other 9 hours he is awake he is spending with owners scmuzzing them,,,,so tell me which horse he trains? he manages

your are right they do have asst..and they dont shovel ****..that was your gig right..they need good clients...so they go to the sales in the aft..in the morning they were there telling the asst and the exercise riders what to do..wtf..are you retarded..

[blackthroatedwind]

Things I think I am learning in this thread....

1 ) Teuflesburg's value increased from 5 million to 7 to 8 million while I was at dinner and watching " The Sopranos "

2 ) Nick Zito does not have anything to do with training his horses

3 ) 2% trainers can be " elite " trainers

4 ) Jamie Sanders is a better trainer than Todd Pletcher

5 ) Reynaldo Abreu and Jamie Sanders used to train Nick Zito's horses

Things I thought I knew but apparently was confused about

1 ) Teuflesberg is not worth 5 million dollars

2 ) a horse's value does not increase in two hours without races being run

3 ) Nick Zito is in the Hall of Fame

4 ) Jamie Sanders and Reynaldo Abreu have not yet been inducted in the Hall of Fame ( though personally I wish them the best of luck )

5 ) Nick's win percentage seems to be reasonably similar without those two trainers training his horses.

6 ) There would be some sort of significant resolution in the supposed final episode of " The Sopranos. "

Yeah you're right. Shug, Nick, Bobby Frankel are all in the same boat as smaller trainers, they all do the same thing. Please...give me a break. I just find it amazing that they all started out the same, yet these trainers elevated themselves from hotwalkers, assistants, etc. to what they are today. No one handed them ****- they earned it.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Things I think I am learning in this thread....

1 ) Teuflesburg's value increased from 5 million to 7 to 8 million while I was at dinner and watching " The Sopranos "

2 ) Nick Zito does not have anything to do with training his horses

3 ) 2% trainers can be " great " trainers

4 ) Jamie Sanders is a better trainer than Todd Pletcher

5 ) Reynaldo Abreu and Jamie Sanders used to train Nick Zito's horses

Things I thought I knew but apparently was confused about

1 ) Teuflesberg is not worth 5 million dollars

2 ) a horse's value does not increase in two hours without races being run

3 ) Nick Zito is in the Hall of Fame

4 ) Jamie Sanders and Reynaldo Abreu have not yet been inducted in the Hall of Fame ( though personally I wish them the best of luck )

5 ) Nick's win percentage seems to be reasonably similar without those two trainers training his horses.

6 ) There would be some sort of significant resolution in the supposed final episode of " The Sopranos. "

Right??? What the hell was with that???? Just when I was giving that show credit, POOF...Goes up in smoke

I guess we'll just have to wait for the Sopranos movie. That was a very odd ending- just not what I expected.

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by slewpy

laugh if you will...but its true,,,the last place you can find wayne lukas is at the barn where the horses are. same with almost all these guys,,,think about it someone says they see all these trainers around? what are they around? not horses because if you are seeing them, if they arent like making some horse jog in a circle while they hold the rope, or have them standing with only one front foot on the ground and counting with the other foot on command(like trigger, now the guy that taught him to count, thats a horse trainer) seriously i really wanna know what these trainers do so differently...its like some trainer puts blinkers on a horse and he wins, WTF
does that make him a genious,,,ill tell ya what , lets say we make anybody that reads the form a horse trainer for a day, the groom asks senor you want blinkers today? i say yep, or maybe i say nope lets try without them and see if the horse does better,,,,now that is barnam and bailey like training,i mean the guys that make lions and tigers jump through burning hoops while some bimbo blond is swinging on a trapeze above that trainers head who is in with those lions and tigers, that is not training , deciding if the horse should have blinkers, thats real training . race horse trainer? thats an oxymoron, thats like a guy that trains dogs to bark.

You honestly have to be trying to make every person on this board laugh. No way you can be this ignorant. That or you just may really be Jaime Sanders.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Kristin Mulhall is also another decent female trainer. Janine Sahadi wasn't too shabby either. Don't know what happened to her.

rodney rash

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by slewpy

i am not her, but that horse is worth at least 7 or 8 million dollars after that race yesterday and she owns a big piece of him.

7 or 8 million what?

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Indelible

I guess we'll just have to wait for the Sopranos movie. That was a very odd ending- just not what I expected.

I think that is just what Chase wanted. Nothing has changed for the Soprano clan. Tony is still scared of going to jail and/or getting whacked, still has mother issues. Carmella doesn't want to lose her lifestyle and is the same old Carm. AJ is back to being the couch dwelling cartoon watching bumbling idiot. Meadow is back hanging with "Hunter," defending the Italians, and apparently can't drive. Everything just came full circle, nobody has changed from the momment we met them. At least, that is what I think...draw your on conclusions...

How about Agent Harris though? "We're gonna win this thing!!" I was laughing out loud so hard!

While I wasn't happy with the ending, I do kind of think it was fitting. What really got me was no song to end it with! That was always one of the best parts of the show, and we get nothing but credits. Bah!


Can we get back to ragging on Jaime Sanders and Slewpy now?

[Indian Charlie]

the Soapranos has sucked since the mom died. they should have recast the mother instead of going the way they went. either that or euthanized the series.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ARyan

I think that is just what Chase wanted. Nothing has changed for the Soprano clan. Tony is still scared of going to jail and/or getting whacked, still has mother issues. Carmella doesn't want to lose her lifestyle and is the same old Carm. AJ is back to being the couch dwelling cartoon watching bumbling idiot. Meadow is back hanging with "Hunter," defending the Italians, and apparently can't drive. Everything just came full circle, nobody has changed from the momment we met them. At least, that is what I think...draw your on conclusions...

How about Agent Harris though? "We're gonna win this thing!!" I was laughing out loud so hard!
While I wasn't happy with the ending, I do kind of think it was fitting. What really got me was no song to end it with! That was always one of the best parts of the show, and we get nothing but credits. Bah!


Can we get back to ragging on Jaime Sanders and Slewpy now?

that was the line of the night for me.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

First of all, I never said any of that ( most notably I would never forget the name of Risen Star's trainer ). However, the highlighted portion of your post is a hoot.

Thanks again.

I said what is his name, in reference to the fact that he hasn't been on the radar in years....knew damn well it was louis roussel!

steve, please get us a sarcasm avatar as soon as you can! and a pukie face too, that would be helpful.

Originally Posted by ARyan

You honestly have to be trying to make every person on this board laugh. No way you can be this ignorant. That or you just may really be Jaime Sanders.

no i am just ignorant....just a dummy who has worked for three different trainers who have won the preakness, one of those ran 2nd to seattle slew in the derby and belmont, horses i bred are winning races,,,, i have won races with my horses in 8 states im just an old hick.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by slewpy

no i am just ignorant....just a dummy who has worked for three different trainers who have won the preakness, one of those ran 2nd to seattle slew in the derby and belmont, horses i bred are winning races,,,, i have won races with my horses in 8 states im just an old hick.

Nothing wrong with being an old hick. I like hicks, actually.

With that said, I've liked Teuflesberg since he ran second to Scat Daddy (I like the Johannesburg's, what can I say?), but let's be realistic here... Jamie's record speaks for itself. She got EXTREMELY lucky finding Teuflesberg for 9k. I have nothing against her as I don't know her personally, but that's just the truth. Sorry if you don't agree.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Nothing wrong with being an old hick. I like hicks, actually.

With that said, I've liked Teuflesberg since he ran second to Scat Daddy (I like the Johannesburg's, what can I say?), but let's be realistic here... Jamie's record speaks for itself. She got EXTREMELY lucky finding Teuflesberg for 9k. I have nothing against her as I don't know her personally, but that's just the truth. Sorry if you don't agree.

can you imagine how crooked that horse must be? johannesburg is one of the hottest sires in the world and his get are selling for huge sums at auctions and this horse brings 9 grand. btw im an old hick from southern california and i work for a wall street company in ny presently as an information technology analyst, yee haaa

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Nothing wrong with being an old hick. I like hicks, actually.

With that said, I've liked Teuflesberg since he ran second to Scat Daddy (I like the Johannesburg's, what can I say?), but let's be realistic here... Jamie's record speaks for itself. She got EXTREMELY lucky finding Teuflesberg for 9k. I have nothing against her as I don't know her personally, but that's just the truth. Sorry if you don't agree.

There is always an element of luck but being a good judge of horseflesh often makes one lucky too! DWL is known to have a keen eye as do most if not all of the successful trainers, with her background it is not unreasonable to assume Jamie does also. Her record is her record and if she ever wants to be considered as a top trainer (even at a small circuit) she obviously must improve her win %...all I've ever said is: (1) it's too early to write her off for many reasons, some sociological, (2) she has done nothing wrong with this horse...the proof was on display Saturday at Belmont, (3) criticizing her record is one thing (her low % is there in black and white), criticizing her handling of this horse is something else (open to debate I think) but criticizing her hair, figure, speech and other physical characteristics seems unfair and reeks of a double standard.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

There is always an element of luck but being a good judge of horseflesh often makes one lucky too! DWL is known to have a keen eye as do most if not all of the successful trainers, with her background it is not unreasonable to assume Jamie does also. Her record is her record and if she ever wants to be considered as a top trainer (even at a small circuit) she obviously must improve her win %...all I've ever said is: (1) it's too early to write her off for many reasons, some sociological, (2) she has done nothing wrong with this horse...the proof was on display Saturday at Belmont, (3) criticizing her record is one thing (her low % is there in black and white), criticizing her handling of this horse is something else (open to debate I think) but criticizing her hair, figure, speech and other physical characteristics seems unfair and reeks of a double standard.

Agreed and you'll notice that I've never done that.

In regards to placing Teuflesberg, I'm not a trainer so I have no say in where the horse goes. My personal opinion is that the colt is better suited for races under 8.5 furlongs and I think the Kentucky Derby proved that. Was it unfair to run the horse in the Derby? Yeah, I think it was (to the horse.) Do I blame her for doing it? Nope... if I had a horse with enough talent, I'd probably want to try it as well. He seems to be a very sound, hard knocking horse and it doesn't appear that the Derby effort took much out of him. I look forward to seeing him run in the future.