vick indicted

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

My take is what I said before. IF he's convicted, he should face the full penalty that comes along with the crime. I've never said otherwise. I've never said that he was innocent or that he was a good guy. I've only said that he, like anyone else in this world, should have a chance to have the facts looked at and a trial to determine his/her guilt or innocence. I remember just last year, everyone was rushing to judgement in the Duke lacross case. They indicted them and cancelled their season, affecting quite a few people. How did that turn out? I just don't like the fact that in today's world of instant news, everyone having blogs, 24-hr news channels and countless sports radio, everyone feels that they have to convict before the facts are in.

Personally, I feel that Vick is not a person that I'd care to be in the company of and I wouldn't send my kids to his football camp because I don't feel he is a good role model. But that's just my personal feeling. It doesn't make him guilty of the crimes he's accused of. Yes, where there is smoke there is often fire. But, and maybe it's naive of me, but I still like to believe that the old American principles still have a place here. Maybe not.

That is my opinion.

Listen, they don't hand down 18 page federal indictments based on "todays world of instant news" and "everyone having blogs". Its not like the duke lacrosse deal with an ambitious local overzealous prosecutor from the sticks basing everything on a single floozy with a track record of lying. My prediction is, Vick is toast. btw, the Duke Lacrosse players as I recall were immediately off the team or suspended or both. their lives were trashed. no one seemed to want to wait for the facts.

You basically are saying what everyone else is that he is scum and looks guilty. that doesn't mean we don't believe in the American judicial system, we're just giving our opinions which we're free to do. My saying that I think he is guilty doesn't make him guilty. The only place that he can be proven innocent or guilty is in court.

No one said to convict before the facts are in. yes by all means present all the facts in court and let a jury decide. that doesn't mean though that we can't give our opinions in the meantime.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Listen, they don't hand down 18 page federal indictments based on "todays world of instant news" and "everyone having blogs". Its not like the duke lacrosse deal with an ambitious local overzealous prosecutor from the sticks basing everything on a single floozy with a track record of lying. My prediction is, Vick is toast. btw, the Duke Lacrosse players as I recall were immediately off the team or suspended or both. their lives were trashed. no one seemed to want to wait for the facts.

You basically are saying what everyone else is that he is scum and looks guilty. that doesn't mean we don't believe in the American judicial system, we're just giving our opinions which we're free to do. My saying that I think he is guilty doesn't make him guilty. The only place that he can be proven innocent or guilty is in court.

No one said to convict before the facts are in. yes by all means present all the facts in court and let a jury decide. that doesn't mean though that we can't give our opinions in the meantime.

OOOOOOOOOO

[King Glorious]

Wondering if anyone thinks this could be anything like the Ray Lewis situation? Remember when Lewis was indicted and the charges were for murder even though the prosecuters knew he wasn't the murderer but used that charge in hopes of getting him to give them the info they needed. In the end, I believe he was only charged with obstruction of justice. I don't know if that was the charge but I know it was much lower than murder. I wonder if this could be a similar kind of situation?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Wondering if anyone thinks this could be anything like the Ray Lewis situation? Remember when Lewis was indicted and the charges were for murder even though the prosecuters knew he wasn't the murderer but used that charge in hopes of getting him to give them the info they needed. In the end, I believe he was only charged with obstruction of justice. I don't know if that was the charge but I know it was much lower than murder. I wonder if this could be a similar kind of situation?

The Prosecution usually throws everything at Defense..and waits to see what sticks!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...ick-peta_N.htm

Ah Sniper......I had 'em by 2 days,Bro!

[Samarta]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Wondering if anyone thinks this could be anything like the Ray Lewis situation? Remember when Lewis was indicted and the charges were for murder even though the prosecuters knew he wasn't the murderer but used that charge in hopes of getting him to give them the info they needed. In the end, I believe he was only charged with obstruction of justice. I don't know if that was the charge but I know it was much lower than murder. I wonder if this could be a similar kind of situation?

No way...This is a federal indictment which is completely different than a local or state situation. First of all, the guy owned the property and bought it specifically for the purpose of raising, fighting, and disposing of the dogs. They have records of him traveling to purchase these dogs, killing them on eight different occasions I think it said, torturing, gambling, you name it....it drives me nuts how people can be so damn arrogant. I wonder when they will make his LOA official....It better be before camp opens or they are gonna have a mess.

[Danzig]

listened to a lot of espn radio on the trip home--things not looking good for michael, nor should it.

they said that 95% of fed indictments go to trial--not sure tho what the % of convictions to trials would be tho.

seems his cousin was arrested for drugs, gave the VA home as his address--so of course they go to search for more drugs, and we have what we have now. so, seems vicks cousin is not too smart either!
it's a tricky situation tho-the league wants vick to take a leave of absence, BUT what if he's found not guilty? and of course that is a possibility. take away a season for no reason. now, if i was atlanta, (well he wouldn't be on my team anyway) i'd be calling culpepper....you have to wonder how much that team is willing to put up with, not as tho vick was an angel before now.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Wondering if anyone thinks this could be anything like the Ray Lewis situation? Remember when Lewis was indicted and the charges were for murder even though the prosecuters knew he wasn't the murderer but used that charge in hopes of getting him to give them the info they needed. In the end, I believe he was only charged with obstruction of justice. I don't know if that was the charge but I know it was much lower than murder. I wonder if this could be a similar kind of situation?

ror!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Wondering if anyone thinks this could be anything like the Ray Lewis situation? Remember when Lewis was indicted and the charges were for murder even though the prosecuters knew he wasn't the murderer but used that charge in hopes of getting him to give them the info they needed. In the end, I believe he was only charged with obstruction of justice. I don't know if that was the charge but I know it was much lower than murder. I wonder if this could be a similar kind of situation?

ray was one of three involved in a mans death. all three faced the same charges, but it didn't look good for a conviction for lewis--prosecutor was antsy, but then again, so was the defense so they cut a deal, and he testified against the other two.

this is a completely different situation. mike vick is the 'top', so anyone else involved would be the ones to cut the deal--vick is the one running the show, no way he gets a deal to turn on someone else. he IS the someone else.

[The Bid]

Amazing how long football kept this clown out of jail. You can only contain these buffoons for so long before they eventually shoot someone, try to sell a brick of coke, get caught with 10lbs of pot, found to be the head of a huge dogfighting ring, etc. I saw a thing last night on ESPN about the guy that "Pac Man" Jones friend shot. The poor guy is in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, wheres the accountability? Pac Man is running around living his normal gangbanger lifestyle while lobbying to get into training camp!! The NFL needs to make an example of both of these guys, its tragic they even get press for being football players anymore.

Its very disturbing to know there are guys like Vick making millions of dollars a year. Hes a nickle d-bag, should have been in jail long ago sharing a cell with his brother.

[Danzig]

it is appalling the amount of bs that teams will put up with in the name of winning. but it starts at the lower levels, where a sense of entitlement is nurtured by schools and coaches willing to play by two sets of rules, one for most players, and another set for those who are extremely talented. one example, the fsu players a few years ago who were receiving steep discounts on clothing from an ardent fan. the 2nd stringer was kicked off the team, while the starting receiver was tapped on the hand and told not to do it again. wonderful. hell of a way to learn your lesson.

a woman i worked with had a step-son struggling in 9th grade, ultimately failing--so she and her husband said no extra-curricular unless grades are picked up, meaning no football. the coach said if we don't fail him, will you let him play? FANTASTIC. i mean, after all, who cares if the kid knows his math or can read, he can play! so he moved on to 10th grade, and played football.
well, i guess someone has to flip the burgers....only a very small percentage of these kids go on to make a career of it--schools and parents do them no favors!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2945919

Iverson - "Yo, Wu-Tang comin' atcha!! Keep yo' head up, Vick! They don't know what it be like fo' us athuhletes, son!"

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it is appalling the amount of bs that teams will put up with in the name of winning. but it starts at the lower levels, where a sense of entitlement is nurtured by schools and coaches willing to play by two sets of rules, one for most players, and another set for those who are extremely talented. one example, the fsu players a few years ago who were receiving steep discounts on clothing from an ardent fan. the 2nd stringer was kicked off the team, while the starting receiver was tapped on the hand and told not to do it again. wonderful. hell of a way to learn your lesson.

a woman i worked with had a step-son struggling in 9th grade, ultimately failing--so she and her husband said no extra-curricular unless grades are picked up, meaning no football. the coach said if we don't fail him, will you let him play? FANTASTIC. i mean, after all, who cares if the kid knows his math or can read, he can play! so he moved on to 10th grade, and played football.
well, i guess someone has to flip the burgers....only a very small percentage of these kids go on to make a career of it--schools and parents do them no favors!

Man!


Will you kindly put a lid on it ...ma'am?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by mortyfeatherhands

Man!


Will you kindly put a lid on it ...ma'am?

shouldn't you be starting more 'i love' threads?

but, you can always put me on ignore, than you don't have to read me. i won't mind.

[The Bid]

No telling how many pairs of sneakers Iverson has stolen between the ages of 12 and 17

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

shouldn't you be starting more 'i love' threads?

but, you can always put me on ignore, than you don't have to read me. i won't mind.

Oh I'm just kidding you.





Don't you know that?

I will stop at no lengths to create false havoc.....





....don't ya know.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by mortyfeatherhands

Oh I'm just kidding you.





Don't you know that?

I will stop at no lengths to create false havoc.....





....don't ya know.

ok
havoc away

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2945919

Iverson - "Yo, Wu-Tang comin' atcha!! Keep yo' head up, Vick! They don't know what it be like fo' us athuhletes, son!"

and this from emmitt smith:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2944662

who obviously didn't pay attention to the case. vick isn't just a spectator, but an active participant. hey smith, before you go defending someone, maker sure he's not indefensible!! hey, maybe they can go back to portis, see if he wants to insert more of HIS foot.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

ray was one of three involved in a mans death. all three faced the same charges, but it didn't look good for a conviction for lewis--prosecutor was antsy, but then again, so was the defense so they cut a deal, and he testified against the other two.

this is a completely different situation. mike vick is the 'top', so anyone else involved would be the ones to cut the deal--vick is the one running the show, no way he gets a deal to turn on someone else. he IS the someone else.

That could be true. But they say this stuff goes back to when he was still in college. I don't believe he was making enough in college to be the top person. I am just wondering if this could be similar in that they are pressuring Vick with charges that they may or may not be able to stick in order to try and get to the real top. That is IF he's not the top.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

That could be true. But they say this stuff goes back to when he was still in college. I don't believe he was making enough in college to be the top person. I am just wondering if this could be similar in that they are pressuring Vick with charges that they may or may not be able to stick in order to try and get to the real top. That is IF he's not the top.

probably a spectator in college, and then got to move to the 'big time' when he had the funds. would explain having that property, and a family member to stay on top of things--feed those poor dogs.

i read in another article that there had been complaints for years about that place-shame they didn't get to it before now. but then, when you see the reactions from so many, maybe not such a surprise. seems a lot of people think it's no big deal. or not big enough.