A new poll - for men only - Page 4

viscount26 · #61 08-21-2007, 12:01 PM

I wasn't a fan of Keenelands Poly. A Group of us from The NY area have been going to the Spring Meeting for quite some years. I always had a problem winning because of the old speed bias. After watching and taking notes from last Fall's meet on Poly, I managed to cash some nice tickets for the 4 days of the Blue Grass week-end. Keeneland definately did some tweaking of the track, and my guess is that come next year, we may see some very different conditions on the DM poly

viscount26 · #62 08-21-2007, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK

You were drunk...what do you remember?

I definately remembered Cajun, because she loved my accent

ArlJim78 · #63 08-21-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know how else I can say I am not talking about wagering. The race was a joke. I don't really know how else to explain it other than say if there was no poly. If I told you Student Council won the Pacific Classic you would tell me I am nuts.
Well he did, strictly because of the poly. Also, since he had never really showed a fondness for the poly, it just doesn't make sense. I know, Jerry Brown liked him, blah blah. Maybe I am a bit of a traditionalist but it has ruined racing out west for me. And this is not me being sour because I lost. I made one bet at Del Mar yesterday, a turf race. I won't tell you if I hit it or not, because I wouldn't want to be a dreaded redboarder. You like it, because you have had some success on it. I tend to think your opinion might be different if you didn't. We saw how quick Titan's changed.

Student Council didn't win strictly because of the poly. You're a good handicapper, and by now you surely have seen that he and Awesome Gem had the best TG#'s. Surely you can also recognize that he is impeccably bred for distance and that he was steadily getting better. Is it really such a shock that a horse with that talent and breeding would excel at 10 furlongs against a highly questionable group. Based on your traditionalist viewpoint, who would have been a more deserving winner from that field? Have you never seen upsets on dirt? If they ran the race on dirt and anyone other than Lava Man won, would you be calling that a joke as well? You should because there were no proven horses with classic distance GR1 credentials. Only Lava Man, and his credentials are somewhat suspect for reasons that have been reviewed over and over.

To me the joke is that Student Council was given less respect than horses like AP Xcellent, Big Booster, Albertus Maximus? The other joke is that more people couldn't see the writing on the wall in terms of Lava Man sending him off at even money after having had to gut out a win against AP Xcellent who has absolutely zero GR1 credentials.

I would just suggest that you might want to be a little more open minded and view the result in a context that is not so heavily colored by the surface. I think the surface effected the final time and little else about the outcome other than perhaps some of the margins.

Cannon Shell · #64 08-21-2007, 01:29 PM

The Pacific Classic was going to be a bad Grade 1 regardless of surface. When you line up a group of optional claimers, Grade 3 wanna be's and a 7 year old legit Grade 1 horse who seemingly has seen better days then are shocked by the result? It is not like he beat Invasor and Ghostzapper. Lava Man stopping does not really make a good case for anything because in many of the races in which he has been beaten he often fades badly. Some people despise the surface which is entirely their perogative. Others seem willing to accept the surface as it is, which is a work in progress. It certainly changes the way the game is played. But if you dont like it you better find something else to watch or bet on because it is coming to both NY and KY sooner than you think.

Cannon Shell · #65 08-21-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Nascar it is than.

They are getting poly too. Sorry.

GPK · #66 08-21-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They are getting poly too. Sorry.

I thought that was were they got the poly from....

Indian Charlie · #67 08-21-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

This thread would have been so much better with some female intervention.

cajun, the restriction on females was for the original question only, about obese strippers vs dmr poly.

feel free to join in now. all women are welcome!

xcept morticia, of course.

Indian Charlie · #68 08-21-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Nascar it is than.

all this time i thought you were male.

the nascar option was in the women's only poll!

parsixfarms · #69 08-21-2007, 03:32 PM

I was just looking at the chart from the race. Everyone is knocking a horse that just set a "new track record." Have the DRF editors retrieved their hour glasses to confirm that the time is correct?

SniperSB23 · #70 08-21-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

I was just looking at the chart from the race. Everyone is knocking a horse that just set a "new track record." Have the DRF editors retrieved their hour glasses to confirm that the time is correct?

It is the only race to be run at 10 furlongs on the track so far. If they had carded a race for Derby Trailers over 350 pounds at 10 furlongs one of us would be sitting in the record book right now.

Cajungator26 · #71 08-21-2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

all this time i thought you were male.

the nascar option was in the women's only poll!

Oy vey... this is hilarious!

Cajungator26 · #72 08-21-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It is the only race to be run at 10 furlongs on the track so far. If they had carded a race for Derby Trailers over 350 pounds at 10 furlongs one of us would be sitting in the record book right now.

LMFAO!!!

viscount26 · #73 08-21-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardus

Or in a Cardiac Care Unit.

We could call it the Scav stakes, after the Toga incident

viscount26 · #74 08-21-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

LMFAO!!!

Whats the M/L

Cajungator26 · #75 08-21-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by viscount26

Whats the M/L

Who is nominated? How many DT'ers are over 350 lbs?

Benny Leger · #76 08-21-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The Pacific Classic was going to be a bad Grade 1 regardless of surface. When you line up a group of optional claimers, Grade 3 wanna be's and a 7 year old legit Grade 1 horse who seemingly has seen better days then are shocked by the result? It is not like he beat Invasor and Ghostzapper. Lava Man stopping does not really make a good case for anything because in many of the races in which he has been beaten he often fades badly. Some people despise the surface which is entirely their perogative. Others seem willing to accept the surface as it is, which is a work in progress. It certainly changes the way the game is played. But if you dont like it you better find something else to watch or bet on because it is coming to both NY and KY sooner than you think.

Tru dat. As Howard Cosell would have said, "The man is just telling it like it is"