11/6: Churchill (Late P4)

Triple B, I made an avatar for ya.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

BTW

Although this thread has disintegrated into nebulous prattle I thought I would respond once more. It seems we measure success differently. I am quite aware that if I adjust my ticket(s) and increase the spread (bet more) I would "hit" more often. But that would change my agenda, and I am not about to do that.

I did look at the pick six thread and congratulate the poster that found all six, even if monopoly money was the currency of choice. Calling the handicapping brilliant would seem a stretch. To wit: 8-5 favorite in a kill, 9-5 favorite in a kill, 7-5 free square, even money walkover and an outcross favorite were five of the legs. The other leg was a razor sharp filly in good hands that has moved way up since going green, figured a perfect trip and was dropping substantially in class. BBB

what a backhanded congratulations that was. good job, but on the other hand it was all so obvious. here's a news flash for you, WE ALL CAN SEE THEM CLEARLY AFTER THE FACT.

still patiently waiting for you to show why you act so arrogant, and as if you have all the answers about how to play the game. lots of talk but not much to show for it other than a single $190 pick four.

you seem to want to write about races, and care little about winning. do you realize that many people you are talking to on here wager your yearly sum on a weekend, or within a week or two max. in other words people that have far more experience and practice constructing tickets than you do. you should be asking questions and trying to learn rather than always strutting around all pompous and full of yourself.

[pmacdaddy]

BBB - Hope you jump in the next contest and flex your muscles. Sounds like you should be able to hit it 3 or 4 times with a $800 budget.

BTW

Your last post got me to respond again. Good show. Please respond to my query in the last paragraph.

But first, in post number 29 this thread you state "he handicapped brilliantly" Then in #54 you refute that opinion. You cannot have it both ways. If my tone was condescending towards the winner... in retrospect the sequence did not seem that difficult.

I prefer being labeled a handicapper rather than a horseplayer. I would 'cap if there was no betting. Since I post, what I play, your assumption that I mislead players is inaccurate. I have no interest in being a public handicapper.

PHILCZKI

I write awful and type worse, but do try to include pieces of 'cappin wisdom in my posts. The use of the term "outcross favorite" above is a good example. They are among the BEST bets in racing, can be found once a day or so at major tracks and outperform all favorites by almost five percent!!! As for my agenda; pass, although it should be clear. Reading Clavell's classic "King Rat" may give you a clue.

Pillow

Not into that avatar stuff, send it to 'Stud he is a big fan. Thanks though.

Back to BTW

I did not look at any pp's but when a horse is favored and blows away his field
they probably figured off the paper. If thats redboarding sorry. If you think its gobblygook, your in error, again.

LOVE CODE is the reason I responded again. I guess you agree that she is very sharp, has improved going green, is in good hands and figured a nice trip. You are correct she goes from statebred to open, but also drops from nonwinners two to nonwinners one.

At what level (going from NY's to open) is she NOT dropping in class?? 3X to one X ? 4X to One X? $aw to one x Stake to one X Thanks in advance. BBB

[Scav]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

At what level (going from NY's to open) is she NOT dropping in class?? 3X to one X ? 4X to One X? $aw to one x Stake to one X Thanks in advance. BBB

So you think NY breds are harder then open company? Clarification please

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

BTW

Your last post got me to respond again. Good show. Please respond to my query in the last paragraph.

But first, in post number 29 this thread you state "he handicapped brilliantly" Then in #54 you refute that opinion. You cannot have it both ways. If my tone was condescending towards the winner... in retrospect the sequence did not seem that difficult.

I prefer being labeled a handicapper rather than a horseplayer. I would 'cap if there was no betting. Since I post, what I play, your assumption that I mislead players is inaccurate. I have no interest in being a public handicapper.



Back to BTW

I did not look at any pp's but when a horse is favored and blows away his field
they probably figured off the paper. If thats redboarding sorry. If you think its gobblygook, your in error, again.

LOVE CODE is the reason I responded again. I guess you agree that she is very sharp, has improved going green, is in good hands and figured a nice trip. You are correct she goes from statebred to open, but also drops from nonwinners two to nonwinners one.

At what level (going from NY's to open) is she NOT dropping in class?? 3X to one X ? 4X to One X? $aw to one x Stake to one X Thanks in advance. BBB

You had a second chance to read what I wrote and still misunderstood me???? That's pretty incredible....but here it is again.....

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Let me add......take a good luck at the Aqueduct Pick-6 thread from today. The person who won hit it did so because he constructed his play tremendously well, moreso I dare say than he handicapped brilliantly, and I think there is a great deal to be learned from that.

Since you didn't get it the previous two times let me help you....I was saying ( just as I repeated that I said ) that he won more because of his excellent ticket structure than any handicapping brilliance. I hope this clears things up for you.

As for Love Code....relative to her field I don't particularly agree with any of your comments ( I don't care about the " good hands " crap as it is only relevant in a relative sense and of no consequence here ). As for your complete lack of understanding of the NY Bred program at NYRA racetracks I will be happy to try and enlighten you. They do not run NY Bred allowance races above the NW2X condition. However, in an attempt to increase field size for allowance races, quite a few years ago NYRA began including " restricted " in the conditions of their open allowance races thus enabling NY breds to be eligible for open allowance conditions after clearing their NY bred conditions. Horses making the supposed " class drop " you alluded to have hardly distinguished themselves since that change.

If you bothered to handicap race 5 you would have seen that she was slower than at least three, and probably four, members of yesterday's field and the fields she had been racing against were significantly weaker. That is probably why she was the fifth or sixth choice in the race.

As for the rest, making judgements without ever having looked at the pps of a race is gobbledygook, and never more obvious than with yesterday's card which included at least one, and maybe two, winning favorites that were extraordinarily hard to predict taking the most tote action.

[pmacdaddy]

Think you need to reread BTW's post. He said I did NOT handicap briliantly, rather put together a good ticket.

By the way 100% correct.

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

BTW


Pillow

Not into that avatar stuff, send it to 'Stud he is a big fan. Thanks though.

BBB

I know you're a rebel but now it's time for you to conform. Add that avatar STAT.

[Late Fires]

Andy,

Not that you need any pats on the back, but this thread has called to mind the fact that your advice on ticket structure has been a big help to me, and I wanted to say thanks for that.

I've been fortunate enough to hit more than one pick 4 that I wouldn't have hit without using a multiple ticket approach (apologize for redboarding), and your input in the pick 6 threads really helped me to play multiple tickets more efficiently. I appreciate you sharing your wisdom.

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Scav

That is wild bro. We are part of the Bozo Hall of Fame, only fitting.

I just pulled out the tape, It was Nov 25th 1986. Were you on it in Boston or Chicago?

I don't suppose you ever heard of the Freddy Friehofer show....I was on that show in the early 60's or maybe it was the late 50's

[philcski]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

BTW

Your last post got me to respond again. Good show. Please respond to my query in the last paragraph.

But first, in post number 29 this thread you state "he handicapped brilliantly" Then in #54 you refute that opinion. You cannot have it both ways. If my tone was condescending towards the winner... in retrospect the sequence did not seem that difficult.

I prefer being labeled a handicapper rather than a horseplayer. I would 'cap if there was no betting. Since I post, what I play, your assumption that I mislead players is inaccurate. I have no interest in being a public handicapper.

PHILCZKI

I write awful and type worse, but do try to include pieces of 'cappin wisdom in my posts. The use of the term "outcross favorite" above is a good example. They are among the BEST bets in racing, can be found once a day or so at major tracks and outperform all favorites by almost five percent!!! As for my agenda; pass, although it should be clear. Reading Clavell's classic "King Rat" may give you a clue.

Pillow

Not into that avatar stuff, send it to 'Stud he is a big fan. Thanks though.

Back to BTW

I did not look at any pp's but when a horse is favored and blows away his field
they probably figured off the paper. If thats redboarding sorry. If you think its gobblygook, your in error, again.

LOVE CODE is the reason I responded again. I guess you agree that she is very sharp, has improved going green, is in good hands and figured a nice trip. You are correct she goes from statebred to open, but also drops from nonwinners two to nonwinners one.

At what level (going from NY's to open) is she NOT dropping in class?? 3X to one X ? 4X to One X? $aw to one x Stake to one X Thanks in advance. BBB

The answer: almost NEVER. The rare exception being a NYB stake to open N1X is usually a drop, but not always.

[MISTERGEE]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

I don't suppose you ever heard of the Freddy Friehofer show....I was on that show in the early 60's or maybe it was the late 50's

i loved his cookies his bread and his cakes, i love everything freddy freihofer bakes