Pick your candidate

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by trifecta124

In order to match up with Kucinich you must be a Left Wing Nut.

Sort of a Neo-Libertarian.....

Or, as your boy Duncan Hunter likes to call them, "Liberal-tarians"

I did have a Republican #2 after all.

If Kucinich wasn't under 5 feet tall - didn't believe in space aliens - and was smart enough to tweak some of his stances and position himself where he will be best suited politically....but still stay true on a few positions he feels strongest about....

He'd be something of a contender!

Heck, he'd be John Edwards.

Originally Posted by merasmag

45Kucinich Disagreements: (2) Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind
Unknowns/Other: (0)
33Gravel Disagreements: (1) Death Penalty
Unknowns/Other: (6) ANWR Drilling, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Wiretapping, Net Neutrality, Minimum Wage Increase
24Obama Disagreements: (4) Death Penalty, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions
Unknowns/Other: (4) No Child Left Behind, Kyoto, Torture, Iran - Military Action
23Clinton Disagreements: (5) No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action
Unknowns/Other: (0)
22Edwards Disagreements: (4) No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action
Unknowns/Other: (2) Kyoto, Border Fence
21Biden Disagreements: (4) No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions
Unknowns/Other: (3) Kyoto, Iran - Military Action, Universal Healthcare
18Dodd Disagreements: (5) No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Border Fence, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action
Unknowns/Other: (1) Universal Healthcare
18Richardson Disagreements: (4) Assault Weapons Ban, Patriot Act, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action
Unknowns/Other: (3) No Child Left Behind, ANWR Drilling, Iraq War
-1Paul 12/0
-13McCain 14/0
-16T. Thompson 9/12
-17Giuliani 13/3
-22Cox 11/9
-26Brownback 16/3
-27Huckabee 14/5
-42Romney 18/3
-43Tancredo 19/2
-45Hunter 20/2
lol...twice

I think your survey basically equates to
one sitting atop roofs at night
with aluminum foil intricately
folded onto clothes hangers
arranged to form a headress
hoping to see something... anything.

God bless you magma.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

say what you want about me, being pro-life is something I have been passionate about since I was a freshman in high school. I have volunteered and taken part in many pro-life rallys, and the thought of abortion makes me sick. I have eight nieces and nephews, and thinking about something as terrible as abortion is sad.

Here is a video that you guys can view if you would like, it is an abortion taking place 11 weeks into the pregnancy, and is hard to watch, but I think could have the ability to change some peoples opinion. As the instrument is being put in to poke the baby and take its life, you can see the baby squirming to get away and doing anything in its power to save itself from the harm of the instrument. This is murder plain and simple.

http://www.silentscream.org/video/SS...ntSc_Eng_3.mov

I can't watch that,but (to me)that's too late.I think rather than outlawing it,we need to put tighter restrictions on how late a woman can have one.
If it can respond to stimuli,then it's too late.

Originally Posted by merasmag

i think your daughter slipped u something about 6 months ago (or perhaps u had a stroke?)...don't u want clean fishies to eat? if kusinichiwich didn't have a polish name and hadn't pulled a clinton 20 years ago u would be the pariah (i guarantee u i know more 20dolla words then u ever forgot)

David Blaine is right around the corner.
Be afraid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxu_MQSTTY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQVieHqQtnc

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think that you're parsing it too much. I certainly "get" why people who are anti-choice are anti-choice -- as in, I grasp the crux of their argument.

With that said, I think it's really little more than mostly misogynistic, controlling, straw-man bull$hit, so therefore, I don't understand how anyone could be anything besides pro-choice.

So while I'm obviously not agreeing with Irish on the issue itself, I certainly can understand where he's coming from, even if it's from the complete other side -- how outrageous it can feel that there are actually people that don't agree with you on an issue like this.

[/defend irish]

I think abortion in this day and age is too widely used as a form of birth control. Make a mistake, but don't make it twice. JMHO.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Not sure who or what a Tancredo is, but I'm apparently all over it

Tancredo first, Hunter second...I must be all about unelectable neverheardofs

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I think abortion in this day and age is too widely used .

Well, I think it's not widely used enough....in fact, sometimes it seems like a tragedy there aren't a lot more.

The abortion issue is meaningless to me. As I see it, it's basically an issue between overly religious types, versus whiny females.

I have no dog in that fight for sure.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Well, I think it's not widely used enough....in fact, sometimes it seems like a tragedy there aren't a lot more.

The abortion issue is meaningless to me. As I see it, it's basically an issue between overly religious types, versus whiny females.

I have no dog in that fight for sure.

You have no dog in the fight over life? Without life, what is there for you?

As for you thinking it's a tragedy there aren't a lot more of them, what a sick thing to say. The tragedy is that women are out there having sex without protection at all and they don't give a shiat. Furthermore, the men don't care either!

I would never have an abortion personally, but I don't hold it against women who feel they have to. Sometimes there are no other options and that is their choice. Believe me, they have to live with that choice.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I think abortion in this day and age is too widely used as a form of birth control. Make a mistake, but don't make it twice. JMHO.

just read that the #'s are down, have been going down for years now. it's good news.
really no reason to use it as a form of birth control, since so much is widely available and covered by most insurance.
what cracks me up are that some co's don't cover birth control, but do cover viagra. still a mans world.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Danzig

just read that the #'s are down, have been going down for years now. it's good news.
really no reason to use it as a form of birth control, since so much is widely available and covered by most insurance.
what cracks me up are that some co's don't cover birth control, but do cover viagra. still a mans world.

Yeah, that is good news. I went to school with a girl that had 4 abortions... you would think that swallowing a pill every morning would be easier than that. Don't you think?

[IrishofNDMan]

you don't have to be religious to think that taking a human life is wrong.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

You have no dog in the fight over life? Without life, what is there for you?

There is no "fight" over "life." Just people who disagree about an issue I could give two shits about.

Your second question seems to be a dressed up way of saying "what if your mom aborted you!?" Gee wiz, I guess thankfully my dad shot his spunk inside of a woman who isn't whiny and was up to the task of having me and trying to do a sort of decent job raising me - even though it might or might not have been convenient for her.

Look, I don't know if mom always wanted me or I was unplanned. I don't care. I don't know if I was a really good swimmer back when I was spunk - but I was good enough to atleast put myself in a position to either be aborted or get born several months later. I did what I had to do - ok?

Turns out, I didn't get to be aborted - sad as it may seem sometime - I was allowed to develop to the point of being born several months later. And I was.

Am I supposed to be pissed if I won a race as a sperm and got no ultimate prize in the end for it? Am I supposed to feel guilty when I masturbate onto a sock - and all my future baby prospects aren't even given the chance to win an event that would lead to them someday becoming something more than a stain on a f'in sock?

But yeah, the world would be a lot better off if we would get to become more overpopulated with kids parents don't want and would be willing to go to desperate measures to get rid of.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

As for you thinking it's a tragedy there aren't a lot more of them, what a sick thing to say.

Sick as it may be - that's what I think after I'm finished reading through about 80% of the threads.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

The tragedy is that women are out there having sex without protection at all and they don't give a shiat. Furthermore, the men don't care either!

I see no tragedy in any of that.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I would never have an abortion personally.

No, but I think you just got offended when I called this an issue between tedious morality types and whiny woman. Ok fine, you can be a whiny woman, but one who will always reject abortion. Happy?

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

but I don't hold it against women who feel they have to. Sometimes there are no other options and that is their choice. Believe me, they have to live with that choice.

Yes - you hold nothing against them because they are pu$$ies taking the easy way out.

[dylbert]

Surprisingly, I had Giuliani +16 and Romney +6 as my top choices. Bottom two are more interesting Paul -14 and Clinton -6 -- they would make strange bedfellows.

I am pulling for Fred Thompson vs. Dennis Kucinich. This would guarantee US and A one very hot First Lady. And, if either Ms. T or Ms. K ever pursue presidency, va-va-voom! (this political humor brought to you by an anonymous donor)

Remember to vote in November -- just 10 short months away...

6.5 billion people or close to it on this planet. That's simply not enough. Jesus wants that number to triple.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

say what you want about me, being pro-life is something I have been passionate about since I was a freshman in high school. I have volunteered and taken part in many pro-life rallys, and the thought of abortion makes me sick. I have eight nieces and nephews, and thinking about something as terrible as abortion is sad.

Here is a video that you guys can view if you would like, it is an abortion taking place 11 weeks into the pregnancy, and is hard to watch, but I think could have the ability to change some peoples opinion. As the instrument is being put in to poke the baby and take its life, you can see the baby squirming to get away and doing anything in its power to save itself from the harm of the instrument. This is murder plain and simple.

http://www.silentscream.org/video/SS...ntSc_Eng_3.mov

This is about the closest thing to Godwin's Rule that exists on the internet.

As opposed to Godwin's Rule that states that the longer an internet discussion gets, the more likely (approaching inevitable) it is that somebody invokes Hitler, this is really the anti-choice Godwin's Rule.

The longer an internet discussion about abortion goes, the more likely (approaching inevitable) it is that some anti-choicer will post the Silent Scream as some sort of comeback....nevermind of course, that it's been discredited by serious physicians and doctors everywhere. Let's all just watch the video, trust a crazy nutjob right-winger about what he's saying without any regard to the medical reality and film manipulation present in the video, and call it a day.

It's one of the biggest pieces of trash propaganda videos out there. Zero merit. Zero legitimacy. Any legit, non-partisan doctor who has weighed in has stated that everything in this video that is presented to prove that this 11 week "human" is shying away from the abortion provider is little more than the kind of lie that zealots love.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

you don't have to be religious to think that taking a human life is wrong.

I posted this earlier in the thread ND man and I will ask this of you right here. I too share your pro life views and I am guessing you are catholic like myself being you are such the ND man. Being the good catholic and being 20 years older than you I already have the children which I assume is your plan. I know it won't happen in all liklihood, but it is still a cruel world...I simply know for a fact that if my 12 year old daughter is violently raped and happens to get pregnant...I am rushing her to an abortion clinic as quickly as I can. I simply could not put her through what all that would entail in her life as a 12 turning 13 year old girl. Again...I know it's not too realistic as nearly all abortions are not this scenario...but does something like this never occur?? Has it never, ever happened?? There aren't a few crazy pedophiles out there??

anyway, that was my point, despite being a pro lifer I have my limits and can see legitimate reasons for an abortion procedure to be done. That being the case it is impossible for me to argue against abortion simply becuase another may have different limits than myself. It is a ridiculous topic in my opinion. The rich politicians taking the pro life stance will be able to take their children to another country to have a safe abortion with no issue and the poor will be able to head to back alleys and coat hangers once again. I find it sad that this remains an issue.

In the end, I find I have become much more liberal as I get older from what I was in my 20s. I guess that is the opposite of most, but I credit this shift to having children. You really would take a bullet for them. Thus I no longer argue the "pro-life" stance as nesessary as a must have for this country or outlawing abortion as necessary. I have done a complete shift on gay marriage/gay civil unions as I completely support that now where 20 years ago I would have thought it an outrage...and it is simply this...well, what if one of my 4 children is gay?? Would I take a bullet for them or throw them under a bus?? It is a simple answer.

It is a tough topic...but people can change their mind on it. I have on several issues the last couple decades. I have altered my stance on abortion as well. I will always be against really late pregnancy abortions etc...but I really can't see it as a clear cut issue...either yes, or no and that's it. There's several layers to it.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I posted this earlier in the thread ND man and I will ask this of you right here. I too share your pro life views and I am guessing you are catholic like myself being you are such the ND man. Being the good catholic and being 20 years older than you I already have the children which I assume is your plan. I know it won't happen in all liklihood, but it is still a cruel world...I simply know for a fact that if my 12 year old daughter is violently raped and happens to get pregnant...I am rushing her to an abortion clinic as quickly as I can. I simply could not put her through what all that would entail in her life as a 12 turning 13 year old girl. Again...I know it's not too realistic as nearly all abortions are not this scenario...but does something like this never occur?? Has it never, ever happened?? There aren't a few crazy pedophiles out there??

anyway, that was my point, despite being a pro lifer I have my limits and can see legitimate reasons for an abortion procedure to be done. That being the case it is impossible for me to argue against abortion simply becuase another may have different limits than myself. It is a ridiculous topic in my opinion. The rich politicians taking the pro life stance will be able to take their children to another country to have a safe abortion with no issue and the poor will be able to head to back alleys and coat hangers once again. I find it sad that this remains an issue.

In the end, I find I have become much more liberal as I get older from what I was in my 20s. I guess that is the opposite of most, but I credit this shift to having children. You really would take a bullet for them. Thus I no longer argue the "pro-life" stance as nesessary as a must have for this country or outlawing abortion as necessary. I have done a complete shift on gay marriage/gay civil unions as I completely support that now where 20 years ago I would have thought it an outrage...and it is simply this...well, what if one of my 4 children is gay?? Would I take a bullet for them or throw them under a bus?? It is a simple answer.

It is a tough topic...but people can change their mind on it. I have on several issues the last couple decades. I have altered my stance on abortion as well. I will always be against really late pregnancy abortions etc...but I really can't see it as a clear cut issue...either yes, or no and that's it. There's several layers to it.

As much as I am against abortion, in your scenerio with a 12 year old daughter getting raped I can see your point. If the law was changed where the only way you could have an abortion is in cases of rape, and where it can be proven that it was rape that I guess I can understand. If you are stupid enough to have unprotected sex and get pregnant, why should you take it out on another person (the baby) and abort them? Yes I am catholic, and I guess we are suppose to be against the condom, but I am not. I guess I am suppose to be against the pill, but I am not, and glad that my gf who is catholic is not either because neither of us are ready to have a child, but we know if the accident did happen then we would be having one because abortion really is not an option. So you can see that I'm not the perfect Catholic and there are things I do wrong according to the church, and my religion is NOT the reason I am Pro-Life.

[IrishofNDMan]

one more thing, I just saw a topic posted in the paddock about the ban of horse slaughter.

I would truely hope that if any of you guys are willing to fight for the ban of horse slaughter you would do the same for the ban of abortion and the taking of a human life.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I've stayed out of this, because once you bring religion into a discussion, it ruins it. But what does one have to do with the other?

I've actually kept religion out of it, saying me being pro-life has nothing to do with my Catholic religion.

If you are against killing horses, you should be against killing a human life.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I've stayed out of this, because once you bring religion into a discussion, it ruins it. But what does one have to do with the other?

I've actually kept religion out of it, saying me being pro-life has nothing to do with my Catholic religion.

If you are against killing horses, you should be against killing a human life.