Giants

[MaTH716]

Don't they say that you make your own breaks? The Pats weren't able to capitalize on the breaks that they got. Bradshaw, getting his own fumble and the 12 man penalty. Two chances to have the ball deep in Giants territory. I really do believe that the Pats thought they were good enough to just turn it on when they wanted to, and it almost worked.
As far as Eli goes, I believe that he has turned the corner. He has become the franchise QB they thought they were getting. Ernie Accorsi didn't get much credit last night, but the foundation of this team has his fingerprints all over them. I also thought that I heard that the Giants are the third youngesst team in the leauge. They are in good shape for the future, maybe this could be the begining of something really special.

[King Glorious]

You are taught in Pop Warner football that when a field goal can't beat you, you don't let a man get behind you. I guess Ellis Hobbs never played Pop Warner.

The Giants deserved to win. They took it to the Pats from the start. They played with more hunger and desire and purpose and earned the win. They played as well as they could play and got a couple of breaks and got the win. Anyone that doesn't see that they got a few breaks just doesn't want to see it. Samuels had both hands on a ball that easily could have been intercepted and the game would have been over. The Pats fell on a fumble and got it taken away inside the Giants 20 that could have really changed the whole game. Eli was extremely close to be called in the grasp on that miracle play to Tyree. But none of those things happened. Those are the breaks. Giants won it. The Pats didn't lose it.

I know some are going to say that the Pats choked. I don't agree with that. Choking is when you start making uncharacteristic mistakes. Start turning the ball over, dropping passes, committing silly penalties...those are mistakes. The Giants just took it from them. And to think, Coughlin was very close to not making to this season.

Eli is the real deal. The Giants should trade Shockey.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Eli is the real deal. The Giants should trade Shockey.

good point..notice how much better that offense runs without him

and I bet Eli would say the same thing

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Eli is the real deal. The Giants should trade Shockey.

agreed. the 2 guys that filled in did an excellent job. if nothing else better blockers and made their share of catches in that run to the championship.

[horseofcourse]

There is nothing better than Darth Sweatshirt walking off the field losing in the postseason. I loved it!! Great effort by the Giants. I honestly think they are a better team. The Patriots were not the same team their last 10 games that they were the first half of the season. They were able to still win, but the complete and utter domination was gone. Great game.

[MaTH716]

I am so happy that they are the champs. They beat them in the most important game, but if they played them 10 times I think that they would lose 7 of them. Of course that doesn't matter now and nobody can take away what they accomplished.

Originally Posted by GBBob

..for the last 4 games

So...is this the real Eli or is he reverting back next year?

Personally, I think he made huge advances and has confidence and his teammate's confidence and will play closer to the playoff level that not next year. And as long as they have that running game, it will make his life a lot easier

So true.
His game against Green Bay was even
better than this one. Mr. Coldweather Brett
had trouble throwing the ball straight. Eli
was a laser.

Eli clutched out for 4 straight games AWAy.
ONe in terrible conditions.

The takeaway lesson for me is, even if you
are the great Tom Brady, if you get dumped
on your as s the entire game, its hard to have
a good game. Brady was not good. It is hard
to see how any QB could have been.

So Brady basically plays perfect ball when
not pressured. Dump him on his rear, he is like
everyone else. Patriots also showed some arrogance
in completely foregoing the running game. Bill B. made
some arrogant decisions.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Much as it pains me, I would be less than honest if I didn't extend sincere congrats to the Giants and their fans here on DT. Fantastic effort and deserved
result....they kicked the Pats asses for 4 quarters!!! No excuses no real regrets.
The better team tonight plays home games in the meadowlands.

Well said, and to the point!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I know some are going to say that the Pats choked. I don't agree with that. Choking is when you start making uncharacteristic mistakes. Start turning the ball over, dropping passes, committing silly penalties...those are mistakes. The Giants just took it from them. And to think, Coughlin was very close to not making to this season.

They did have some pretty stupid penalties. It's been a long time since I've seen the Pats jump that many times in one game. They usually don't make those mistakes.

[horseofcourse]

What it boils down to is the Giants basically played the 3 best offenses and the 3 best qb's in the league this year in consecutive games and pretty much manhandled each one of them. They brutalized Romo as they did Brady... and the Packers game wasn't really as close as the overtime and close score would have you believe. I honestly think if the Giants and Pats played 10 times the Giants win 5 or 6 of them.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by GBBob

good point..notice how much better that offense runs without him

and I bet Eli would say the same thing

Their passing game may be slightly better with Shockey. Their running game though is far worse with him in the game, so terrible in fact, that they would usually put him in for passing plays and take him out for running plays. You didn't need to be videotaping the offensive coordinator's signals on the sideline to be able to tell if it was going to be a run or pass when you could just check to see whether or not Shockey was in the game.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

They did have some pretty stupid penalties. It's been a long time since I've seen the Pats jump that many times in one game. They usually don't make those mistakes.

Although 4 penalties for 36 yards isn't exactly crippling to a team.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Although 4 penalties for 36 yards isn't exactly crippling to a team.

The refs were letting them play so it was only the stupid stuff that was getting called. It certainly didn't cost them the game but it was uncharacteristic to see such a disciplined football team false starting in such a big game.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The refs were letting them play so it was only the stupid stuff that was getting called. It certainly didn't cost them the game but it was uncharacteristic to see such a disciplined football team false starting in such a big game.

I felt it was one of the best games I've ever seen. And that was one reason...they didn't call holding every other play or interference or illegal chucks or any of that junk. They called some obvious...shirt grabbing holds and the false starts which you have to but I enjoyed the only 9 penalties called. It was to me a really fun game to watch as usually these non rooting interest games I tend to get bored with...not last night.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Listen Homer if it wasnt for for Jacobs being tall and falling for the first down on 4th and 1, Eli snaking his way out of the clutches of 2 lineman and Tyree making a once in a lifetime catch, we would be talking about how resilient NE was to overcome playing poorly to win. They hardly dominated, they got the breaks that are the difference between winning and losing. A few bad bounces and tough breaks were the difference as with most close games. They deserve the championship but lets not get carried away.

Listen Sparky, the reason the Giants went to Jacobs on 4th and 1 is because he is as big as a lineman and tough to stop in a 1 yard situation even if you meet him at the line of scrimmage. That was not a break. I did not say the Giants dominated, but the reality is that the Giants physically outplayed the Patriots. I must disagree with you that the difference in the game was "breaks" that the Giants got. The Giants won because the game was played the only way the Giants could beat this team, low scoring, keeping the ball out of Tom Brady's hands as much as possible, harassing Brady when the Pats had the ball, which threw off his timing and forced him to throw the ball before he wanted to, which led to inaccurate passes, and also by using ball control with minimal turnovers. Even the Patriots are agreeing that the Giants were the better team Sunday, now can't you?