Best Broodmare

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I call my G/F a broodmare all the time. 3 beautiful children.
Of course I always add she has great conformation....

My wife kicked me in the kineeckees before I got to the conformation part.

What the hell. I dont need my sperm cells anymore.

Originally Posted by pgardn

Pedigree ANN:

What the diff.? Female on the top or bottom and why?

Just trying to get a feel if anyone on the thread likes genetics, not just family trees.

Oh ... oh ... oh ... now I understand your question !!!

When I said that La Troienne was "usuually on the bottom" ... I was making a joke about her position in the breeding shed ... which Blacthroatedwind got and enjoyed ... but which you apparently didn't.

He and I were talking about when she was bred to Blue Larkspur ... who was "on the top" and who was "on the bottom"?

Now do you get it?

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Mahmoud, Nasrullah, and Royal Charger belong to Mumtaz Mahal's female family(9-c), but My Babu is from the Lavendula branch of the Marchetta family(1-w), Northern Dancer is from Almahmoud branch of the Mother Goose family (2-d), Rahy is from the Skylarking branch of the Lindos Ojos bunch (12-c) and so on. Mumtaz Mahal appears in their pedigrees, but so do a bunch of other good mares, including one I should have mentioned before - Frizette!

US-bred Frizette was the foundation of the Boussac stud, producing 3 SWs and founding a mighty family whose members include the great sire Tourbillon, the champion sprinter Myrtlewood (ancestress of Seattle Slew and Mr. Prospector)..., well, you get the picture.

You want to get technical, Mumtaz Mahal's mum Lady Josephine deserves some of the credit; she produced not only Mumtaz Mahal but Lady Juror, dam of 6 SWs including the important sire Fair Trial and the dam of even more important sire Tudor Minstrel.

In curiosity I took a look at Rahy and found a plethora of important broodmares and family founders, not just Mumtaz Mahal. He has multiple crosses of Selene. Black Ray, and Plucky Liege, also Alcibiades, Pink Domino, La Grelee, Uganda, Lady Juror, Lavendula, Baton Rouge, Herodias, Mother Goose, La Troienne, Betty Derr, Exalted, Vaila, and Cinna, all of whom have had an important influence on the breed.

Hey, Ann ... you're becoming very expert at misreading my posts.

Is that because you're trying hard to do so ... or is it that you just can't read?

I pointed this out in two earlier posts ... Thursday 9:10pm and 9:20pm ... and you didn't even have the graciousness to acknowledge your mistakes.

Now you're taking flight again ... with more erroneous commentary on what I wrote. Are you the latter-day Flying Filly?

It's time for you to show a little class ... and graciously acknowledge your mistakes ... or some people may erroneously start thinking that you're just an airhead ... and a snotty one to boot..

[Pedigree Ann]

My but we are touchy. I'm not on this site continuously, you know. I've been tired, and grouchy, too, and a little brain-dead for several days. Spending a week in an overheated house in Atlanta will do that to you.

Did you not read all of MY post? And get the point? As I noted with Rahy, while Mumtaz Mahal appears in the pedigrees lots of top stallions (in fact, she may be ubiquitous by now, just like Phalaris, Plucky Liege, and Swynford, and several others of that vintage), she is by no means the only top mare to do so.

You should see my pedigree geek board, where we have people who look for the rare offspring of Queen Mary (1843) or Beeswing (1833) or Alice Hawthorn (1838) in pedigrees to explain successful matings. The glee that greets the sighting of a cross of Nunnykirk (1846) or Fitz James (1875)!

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

My but we are touchy. I'm not on this site continuously, you know. I've been tired, and grouchy, too, and a little brain-dead for several days. Spending a week in an overheated house in Atlanta will do that to you.

Did you not read all of MY post? And get the point? As I noted with Rahy, while Mumtaz Mahal appears in the pedigrees lots of top stallions (in fact, she may be ubiquitous by now, just like Phalaris, Plucky Liege, and Swynford, and several others of that vintage), she is by no means the only top mare to do so.

You should see my pedigree geek board, where we have people who look for the rare offspring of Queen Mary (1843) or Beeswing (1833) or Alice Hawthorn (1838) in pedigrees to explain successful matings. The glee that greets the sighting of a cross of Nunnykirk (1846) or Fitz James (1875)!

Is this your version of ... "Ooops ... sorry I misread your post. What you said about Bull Dog is absolutely correct."?

Hmmm ... I don't seem to see anything like that in there. Would that have been too gracious for a grouch?

And speaking of touchy ... aren't you the same person who went ballistic when a novice poster used the word "sired" in connection with a mare ... instead of "produced" ... even after I already had kindly and gently corrected that person in my earlier response?

Where does grouchy end ... and snotty begin? You're risking your rep on this forum with your lack of graciousness ... or don't you care?

[sumitas]

Here's the site to the mother of Reines de Course, Ellen Parker...

http://www.reines-de-course.com/

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Is this your version of ... "Ooops ... sorry I misread your post. What you said about Bull Dog is absolutely correct."?

Hmmm ... I don't seem to see anything like that in there. Would that have been too gracious for a grouch?

And speaking of touchy ... aren't you the same person who went ballistic when a novice poster used the word "sired" in connection with a mare ... instead of "produced" ... even after I already had kindly and gently corrected that person in my earlier response?

Where does grouchy end ... and snotty begin? You're risking your rep on this forum with your lack of graciousness ... or don't you care?

*Yawn.*

"even after I already had kindly and gently corrected that person in my earlier response?"
That would be the only time you've "kindly" corrected anyone.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

*Yawn.*

"even after I already had kindly and gently corrected that person in my earlier response?"
That would be the only time you've "kindly" corrected anyone.

Whassamatter?

Don't you believe in Redemption?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Whassamatter?

Don't you believe in Redemption?

Of course I do. I just find it hilarious that you find redemption in posting on a message board. To each their own I guess...

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Of course I do. I just find it hilarious that you find redemption in posting on a message board. To each their own I guess...

The Redemption came from going to Aqueduct in mid-winter ...

... and it carried over to this forum.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Is this your version of ... "Ooops ... sorry I misread your post. What you said about Bull Dog is absolutely correct."?
?

I'm never going to post that because IMHO you are not right about Bull Dog; Sir Gallahad III was and continues to be more influential in this country, particularly through his many, many producing daughters. I did say that I had misread your post about Bull Lea being a poor sire of sires, in case you missed it. And tried to explain why I thought it happened.

I'm too tired to write anything more now. Sorry you didn't catch the intended humor of the 'ballistic attack'.

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

I'm never going to post that because IMHO you are not right about Bull Dog; Sir Gallahad III was and continues to be more influential in this country, particularly through his many, many producing daughters. I did say that I had misread your post about Bull Lea being a poor sire of sires, in case you missed it. And tried to explain why I thought it happened.

I'm too tired to write anything more now. Sorry you didn't catch the intended humor of the 'ballistic attack'.

You prefer to fudge and be dishonest ... instead of graciously conceding that you misunderstood something.

Are you seriously trying to say that "for a while" ... meaning the mid-1940's to the mid-1950's ... Bull Dog wasn't more influential than Sir Gallahad? Can you even remotely back that up? Please list all the champions and major stakes winners from the Sir Gallahad line ... during that period ... which matched the parade of champions from the Bull Dog line.

And Bull Lea wasn't just a poor sire of sires ... he was awful ... as I said ... the world's worst ... as far as stallions who were champions themselves. Your "explanation" of why it happened ... because his sons were "exported" ... conveniently leaves out why they were exported ... and that's because they stunk as stallions here. Why else would champion ... or major-stakes-winning ... sons of the pre-eminent stallion in this country be exported to a Europe that had barely begun to recover from the devastation of WWII?

About Coaltown .. you just say that he was exported ... but you again conveniently left out that ... from over 150 foals ... he failed to sire a single stakes winner ... either here or in Europe.

I'll give you this last chance to redeem yourself ... not just with me ... but with everyone else who is closely following this thread ... and simply admit that you misread my first post ... and subsequently came to understand that the points I made were correct.

That should be pretty easy for a self-assured, mature adult to do. Are you up to it, Annie?

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

You prefer to fudge and be dishonest ... instead of graciously conceding that you misunderstood something.

Are you seriously trying to say that "for a while" ... meaning the mid-1940's to the mid-1950's ... Bull Dog wasn't more influential than Sir Gallahad? Can you even remotely back that up? Please list all the champions and major stakes winners from the Sir Gallahad line ... during that period ... which matched the parade of champions from the Bull Dog line.

And Bull Lea wasn't just a poor sire of sires ... he was awful ... as I said ... the world's worst ... as far as stallions who were champions themselves. Your "explanation" of why it happened ... because his sons were "exported" ... conveniently leaves out why they were exported ... and that's because they stunk as stallions here. Why else would champion ... or major-stakes-winning ... sons of the pre-eminent stallion in this country be exported to a Europe that had barely begun to recover from the devastation of WWII?

About Coaltown .. you just say that he was exported ... but you again conveniently left out that ... from over 150 foals ... he failed to sire a single stakes winner ... either here or in Europe.

I'll give you this last chance to redeem yourself ... not just with me ... but with everyone else who is closely following this thread ... and simply admit that you misread my first post ... and subsequently came to understand that the points I made were correct.

That should be pretty easy for a self-assured, mature adult to do. Are you up to it, Annie?

Well, I followed this a bit, really just to see BB make an a ss of himself (not disappointed). PedAnn... no need to "redeem" yourself, at least on my acount and certainly not on this buffon's account either. He's just trying to get off (literally or figuratively,... probably both) by yanking your chain.

Don't feel obliged to feed the clown.

[Danzig]

my gosh BB, let it go. not that there's anything there for you to cling to!
you want her to redeem herself to everyone? lol

now bb speaks for everyone. wonderful.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

my gosh BB, let it go. not that there's anything there for you to cling to!
you want her to redeem herself to everyone? lol

now bb speaks for everyone. wonderful.

Just trying to give her another chance before I draw a final conclusion about her.

Some people make snap decisions ... and tear into people who malign them. I'm sure you've seen that happen ... both here and elsewhere.

I'm a little less impulsive than that ... I'm always willing to give someone an extra opportunity before I write them off.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Just trying to give her another chance before I draw a final conclusion about her.

Some people make snap decisions ... and tear into people who malign them. I'm sure you've seen that happen ... both here and elsewhere.

I'm a little less impulsive than that ... I'm always willing to give someone an extra opportunity before I write them off.

another chance at what? typing what you want to read,rather than what she wants to say? she already replied to you. maybe you should go back and re-read....or maybe you should just be satisfied with what you got.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Just trying to give her another chance before I draw a final conclusion about her.

Some people make snap decisions ... and tear into people who malign them. I'm sure you've seen that happen ... both here and elsewhere.

I'm a little less impulsive than that ... I'm always willing to give someone an extra opportunity before I write them off.

Words spoken from one I've written off. It wasn't a "snap decision".
Plenty of "opportunities" for others to see as well.
I'll again say, "He that argues with a fool proves that he is one also."

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Words spoken from one I've written off. It wasn't a "snap decision".
Plenty of "opportunities" for others to see as well.
I'll again say, "He that argues with a fool proves that he is one also."

oh great...now i'm a fool...

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

oh great...now i'm a fool...

Not you Danzig!
Me for attempting to diologue before realizing the agenda.
Sorry if you took it the wrong way.

[Danzig]

lol
i didn't! an attempt at dry humor. never can get it across in type tho.