Is Haskin joking?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jms62

Absoultely !!! Yes we all know the GREAT record of Juvenile BC winners.. You burn much over the years betting them wise ass ??

If you were chucking him based just on that.. You need way more help with this than Steve Haskin could ever provide.

[jms62]

Worked for me about 20 times in a row dude , I didn't burn a spot on my ticket with the Juve champ ?? How about you ?? Ever think that peaking to win the Juvenile takes its toll on a horse ? Betting is all about following trends but of course from your sarcastic post you know it all already.

PS...

We got your post the first time there was no need to post again... I like your handle though.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

http://tcm.bloodhorse.com/derby_dozen.asp

Just getting around to this thread, good for him to stick out his neck and reputation with Monba, though I strongly disagree with this particular upset choice.

I liked Monba in the Bluegrass, posting that I did an exacta box of he and Pyro-a dumb bet. I liked Monba from a synthetic surface angle only and it could have paid off if I'd wagered correctly.


Monba will bomb on dirt

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

If you're going to award pies, at least make it something pie worthy.

I was thinking the same.

[Mike]

Oh! I see the attraction to this thread now. Let's not let the back-and-forth disintegrate into a YouTube level of discourse,though

jms!? I'm afraid I'm strongly with old warhorses like DruGs and Dahoss on this one

And what do you have against rolling another one?

[jms62]

Here is the deal.. Haskin knows more about horses and racing than most on this thread combined. He was getting dissed. I simply pointed out that the last 2 years he has had some observations during derby week on training that helped sway me back onto horses that I was considering tossing out at the top of my ticket thats all. These juveniles than proceeded to assume that my entire source of handicapping was based on what Steve said... They also bashed my thoughts on an immediate throw out of the juvenile champ (cept last year) irrespective of the fact that it worked some 20 odd imes in a row. There are some that basically simply attack every post that is put on these boards it somehow validates who they are. My fault for getting into a pissing contest. I'm done on the topic.

[slotdirt]

As analyzed earlier, it didn't work 20-some odd years in a row because only 14 juvenile champs actually made the Derby starting gate. It's really tough taking a stand against a horse who isn't even competing in a given race.

[Mike]

Hey jms, thanks for the civil response

[jms62]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

As analyzed earlier, it didn't work 20-some odd years in a row because only 14 juvenile champs actually made the Derby starting gate. It's really tough taking a stand against a horse who isn't even competing in a given race.

Dude are you a lawyer ? Nice value added though nitpicking my response. Ok 14 odd times over 20 years , you win, you are much smarter than I... No Mas!

[jms62]

Hoss would you like to up for a beer when I get to Saratoga ?

[jms62]

Meet up for a beer in toga when I get there for the Travers... We got off on a bad foot here and I'd like to buy you a beer to sooth over any ill will.

[SentToStud]

I give Haskin a lot of credit for being somewhat creative and not just landing on one of the 2-3 favorites.

Mostly, I give him credit for a write up devoid of strings of Speed Figures.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by jms62

Here is the deal.. Haskin knows more about horses and racing than most on this thread combined. He was getting dissed. I simply pointed out that the last 2 years he has had some observations during derby week on training that helped sway me back onto horses that I was considering tossing out at the top of my ticket thats all. These juveniles than proceeded to assume that my entire source of handicapping was based on what Steve said... They also bashed my thoughts on an immediate throw out of the juvenile champ (cept last year) irrespective of the fact that it worked some 20 odd imes in a row. There are some that basically simply attack every post that is put on these boards it somehow validates who they are. My fault for getting into a pissing contest. I'm done on the topic.

That's the way you made it sound, dude. Take it easy.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I give Haskin a lot of credit for being somewhat creative and not just landing on one of the 2-3 favorites.

Mostly, I give him credit for a write up devoid of strings of Speed Figures.

that was my thought. I don't get what the big issue people have with his list is all about. especially in a year like this. chaos may rule the day in which case some out-of-the-box thinking might be in order. year in year out this race is unlike any other and I'm not aware of any derby guru's on here. sure we all have our strongly held opinions beforehand, knowing full well that we could be all wet come D day.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

You don't think there are far more creative horses who will be far bigger prices than Monba?

People who think he won't attract a good deal of money will probably be proven wrong.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

You don't think there are far more creative horses who will be far bigger prices than Monba?

People who think he won't attract a good deal of money will probably be proven wrong.

I didn't catch the part where he says Monba is THE value play of the derby.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Ranking him #1 when all the meaningful preps have been run basically says that and more.

[hockey2315]

I just want to point out that I don't have anything against Mr. Haskin. I check his list every week and was just surprised with how much stock he put in the results of the Bluegrass. Wasn't really trying to bash him. . .

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

Love it Steve. Here is my take:

Kentucky Derby winner: COURT VISION
Kentucky Derby bust: MONBA

Court Vision
Positives:
1) Bred to be a monster. Gulch is one of my all time favorite sires (and runners). He is the sire of many, many good stakes runners, including 1995 Derby winner, Thunder Gulch (who, by the way, was out of a Storm Bird mare, like Court Vision and was out of the money in his final prep, the Blue Grass). The dam, Weekend Storm, is a full sister to the lengendary Summer Squall and a half sister to the equally legendary A. P. Indy. Now, those are some awesome bloodlines.

2) Bill Mott. This guy is way overdue.

3) Won a graded stakes at CD as a two year old. Might like the track.

4) Showed heart and guts winning both the IRQ and the REMSON as a two year old. Need to watch the replay to see what I mean.

5) Late kick. I know some will say he is slow but this horse seems to have a 5th gear that is on display very late in his races. Watch the replays and you will see what I mean.

Negatives:
1) Couldn't run down a blistering pace in the Wood and came home in a somewhat slow time.


MONBA
Postives: None

Negatives: Drug testing much tighter for the Derby so Mr. Pletcher will not likely be able to arrive on site with his bag of goodies. If unsure of this look at his Derby record. It's blantantly obvious. Year in and year out, the super trainers s*#t the bed in the Derby with can't miss runners. Hard to believe the Zito fiasco a few years ago.

Finally, for those sheep that can't look beyond the winners of the prep races (and believe me, that accounts for 85% of the betting public):

Derby winners that lost their final prep:
2007: Street Sense (2nd in Blue Grass)
2005: Giacomo (off the board in SA Derby)
2001: Monarchos (2nd in Wood)
1999: Charasmatic (off the board in SA Derby)
1998: Real Quiet (2nd in SA Derby)
1997: Silver Charm (2nd in SA Derby)
1995: Thunder Gulch (off the board in Blue Grass)
1994: Go for Gin (off the board in Florida Derby)
1993: Sea Hero (off the board in Blue Grass)
1992: Lil E Tee (2nd in Arkansas Derby)
1990: Unbridled (3rd in Blue Grass)

5 of last 18 (28%) Derby winners missed the board in their last prep before the Derby.

.........bag of goodies