Smooth Air

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

not smoth air. its how people justify big brown being good . wow he beat smooth air. by the way tomcito ran real good the other day too. he had to win to get in and he was up the track. i see all the tomcito threads went by the wayside....lol...

smooth air has a ok shot to be in the top 4 big brown on the other hand has nothing to do with this ..his merit is the speed he has shown..and the way hes done nothing wrong yet.save be involved with ieah....but i cant fault the horse ..hes innocent......

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I tend to wait for races to be drawn and pps to come out. I'm funny that way.

Understandable, but it seems pretty easy to **** on others' opinions while taking no stand of your own.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Understandable, but it seems pretty easy to **** on others' opinions while taking no stand of your own.

Joey, give me a call in twenty years when you've even had the opportunity to take as many stands as I have.

The give me a call in a third lifetime when you have.

[IrishofNDMan]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Joey, give me a call in twenty years when you've even had the opportunity to take as many stands as I have.

The give me a call in a third lifetime when you have.

whose your bottom quote from?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

smooth air has a ok shot to be in the top 4 big brown on the other hand has nothing to do with this ..his merit is the speed he has shown..and the way hes done nothing wrong yet.save be involved with ieah....but i cant fault the horse ..hes innocent......

While I obviously don't agree with the first part I very much agree with the rest. Like it or not, Big Brown is the horse to beat. That doesn't mean I will bet him, or even greatly like his chances, in the Derby but nobody should make the foolish mistake of thinking that right now he is anything other than the horse to beat and deserving favorite.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan

whose your bottom quote from?

I will take full credit.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Joey, give me a call in twenty years when you've even had the opportunity to take as many stands as I have.

The give me a call in a third lifetime when you have.

Blah blah blah. That's irrelevant here. I'm talking about today, right now, in this thread.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think he means the War Emblem quote.

Oh....that's funny. I can't see signatures and I forgot about that.

KYRIM.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think he means the War Emblem quote.

I remember the day I read it like it was yesterday. Sad not having her around anymore

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I think he means the War Emblem quote.

krim?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Blah blah blah. That's irrelevant here. I'm talking about today, right now, in this thread.

It's not irrelevant to what you said ( and implied ). Sorry if you don't like my answer....but it's true.

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

smooth air has a ok shot to be in the top 4 big brown on the other hand has nothing to do with this ..his merit is the speed he has shown..and the way hes done nothing wrong yet.save be involved with ieah....but i cant fault the horse ..hes innocent......

whatever, nothing wrong , 3 races 5-2 or under in a 20 horse field going 1and 1/4. the odds are against and hes short . thats enough wrong right there.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's not irrelevant to what you said ( and implied ). Sorry if you don't like my answer....but it's true.

Man, I know you've taken plenty of stands in the past. I'm just saying I think it's lame to spit on people who like Smooth Air without backing it up or telling us who your "contenders" are. That's all.

[my miss storm cat]

This is getting a little silly.

I don't see why there's any pressure on BTW to post his pick.

If he disagrees about Smooth Air being a contender at least he does it with style and a little humor.....

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Man, I know you've taken plenty of stands in the past. I'm just saying I think it's lame to spit on people who like Smooth Air without backing it up or telling us who your "contenders" are. That's all.

I don't think it's " lame " at all.....in fact I think it is just the opposite. I am trying to dissuade people from betting a horse that I believe has little or no chance and even at 40:1, and I think he will be considerably lower, is an underlay.

Perhaps I should " back it up ", and I will, but I don't offer my opinions unless I feel I can back them up....it's basically implicit and more than most I have probably earned that right. However, in a nutshell, while Smooth Air is a nice and talented horse, what he showed inarguably is that he will not get better as the distances get longer. He had an absolute dream trip and set-up in the Florida Derby, made what looked to be a winning move on the turn, and then had absolutely no finish. The only reason he finished second was that there were no horses of quality ( besides the winner ) competing that day. Any that may be better than him, Elysium Fields comes to mind, did not fire at all. Essentially he was second by default....just as Tomcito was third for the same reasons. Look how many were fooled by him.

[ELA]

I don't have a problem with anyone's opinion, regardless of whether or not the author takes a stand. If the author takes a stand before the race, great. If not, take it for what you think it's worth. You don't like it, move on. Take what you like and leave the rest. JMO, but I would bet that Andy will no doubt take a stand before the race.

In this case, Andy certainly doesn't need any help defending himself, or his opinion, but he's certainly well known for: a) taking a stand, and, b) most often waiting until PP's are drawn and out. In addition, I don't know if it applies here, but Andy has always seemed to be a big practitioner of watching replays.

At this stage, for me, until PP's are drawn and out, I am more than willing to hear who the "toss" horses are.

Eric

[ELA]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't think it's " lame " at all.....in fact I think it is just the opposite. I am trying to dissuade people from betting a horse that I believe has little or no chance and even at 40:1, and I think he will be considerably lower, is an underlay.

Perhaps I should " back it up ", and I will, but I don't offer my opinions unless I feel I can back them up....it's basically implicit and more than most I have probably earned that right. However, in a nutshell, while Smooth Air is a nice and talented horse, what he showed inarguably is that he will not get better as the distances get longer. He had an absolute dream trip and set-up in the Florida Derby, made what looked to be a winning move on the turn, and then had absolutely no finish. The only reason he finished second was that there were no horses of quality ( besides the winner ) competing that day. Any that may be better than him, Elysium Fields comes to mind, did not fire at all. Essentially he was second by default....just as Tomcito was third for the same reasons. Look how many were fooled by him.

By the way -- I may not agree with Andy's opinion, and my friend (friend's family) owns Smooth Air.

Eric

[hi_im_god]

i think getting first dibs on a winner is all about ego.

there aren't a lot of races where people try to pick the winner before the field is finalized. more information is usually better than less information.

i settled on charismatic 10 minutes before post because i thought he had 1 chance in 10 of winning but was 30-1. yet i still locked into saarland after the remsen.

so i understand the urge.

but i respect people that resist it.

[Scav]

Everyone HIDE, our fearless leader is reading the thread

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't think it's " lame " at all.....in fact I think it is just the opposite. I am trying to dissuade people from betting a horse that I believe has little or no chance and even at 40:1, and I think he will be considerably lower, is an underlay.

Perhaps I should " back it up ", and I will, but I don't offer my opinions unless I feel I can back them up....it's basically implicit and more than most I have probably earned that right. However, in a nutshell, while Smooth Air is a nice and talented horse, what he showed inarguably is that he will not get better as the distances get longer. He had an absolute dream trip and set-up in the Florida Derby, made what looked to be a winning move on the turn, and then had absolutely no finish. The only reason he finished second was that there were no horses of quality ( besides the winner ) competing that day. Any that may be better than him, Elysium Fields comes to mind, did not fire at all. Essentially he was second by default....just as Tomcito was third for the same reasons. Look how many were fooled by him.

I hear what you are saying and I felt exactly the same way after the Florida Derby but the more I look through this garbage we are presented with as a Derby field and from watching all the preps that took place since then this horse is the one at long odds that keeps on looking better and better. After Big Brown and Pyro I can make as much of an argument for Smooth Air as I can for any other horse in the field. Hell, I think Anak Nakal has a hell of a chance at getting up for fourth or fifth and that horse would make Andromeda's Hero look like a speedster. There are two solid dirt horses with question marks and one Tiznow proven on the synthetics, and a bunch of crap in this race. I can go on every thread and give multiple reasons not to like every horse in the field and I'll be right on 19 out of 20 of them for the win and 15 out of 20 for running top five. So if you are so sure that Smooth Air has no chance before the draw then who do you like before the draw that you'll guarantee beat him? You want Tale of Slowkati? Pick a horse besides the top three, I'll bet you a few rounds at Siro's (or Clancy's if our wallets are light) on it head to head against Smooth Air.