Keeneland Sale

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

With different types of horses there are different things that I can and cant live with. For example with really heavy horse you need a bit more correct front legs and never back at the knee. With a lanky, lighter horse, often fillies, there is a lot more I can live with if they are athletic enough. certainly I dont mind longer pasterns in horses with turf pedigrees but dont want muc pastern in sprinters or strictly dirt horses. The way a horse moves behind is probably more important in ability. I have had some horses that were awful movers in the front legs but made up for it with superior power behind. All that and one i can afford

Please Chuck it's all Fn luck. You are basically shooting dice.. Look at Point Fn Given monster on the track huge horse and perhap the least correct version of a TB ever. Sunday Silience looked like a dog Hancock couldnt give him away and that 8 mil colt a few years ago was breathe taking and I think he is still working in 38 and change over a 3 variant track lol.. 90% luck 10% skill.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Please Chuck it's all Fn luck. You are basically shooting dice.. Look at Point Fn Given monster on the track huge horse and perhap the least correct version of a TB ever. Sunday Silience looked like a dog Hancock couldnt give him away and that 8 mil colt a few years ago was breathe taking and I think he is still working in 38 and change over a 3 variant track lol.. 90% luck 10% skill.

You are pretty hardcore

[magic_idol]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Please Chuck it's all Fn luck. You are basically shooting dice.. Look at Point Fn Given monster on the track huge horse and perhap the least correct version of a TB ever. Sunday Silience looked like a dog Hancock couldnt give him away and that 8 mil colt a few years ago was breathe taking and I think he is still working in 38 and change over a 3 variant track lol.. 90% luck 10% skill.

While there is definately luck involved if you don't know anything about conformation there are yearlings that will never make the track so imagine spending your lifes money on a yearling that dosnt even make it to a two year old ,Thats why you need to know with conformation what you can get away with & what you can't

You sound like a Odds Man wouldnt you want the Odds more in your favour,?Dosn't mean you win just gives you a better Chance

[Merlinsky]

http://auctions.bloodhorse.com/article/46988.htm

Big Brown's half-sister by Touch Gold didn't sell. Again I don't claim to be a conformation expert but I wouldn't argue with their idea that she's not gonna be ready for much as a 2yo. I'd be afraid of her legs giving out--is that me just not being able to appreciate the lines of a filly or are her forelegs just not impressive in terms of bone?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Please Chuck it's all Fn luck. You are basically shooting dice.. Look at Point Fn Given monster on the track huge horse and perhap the least correct version of a TB ever. Sunday Silience looked like a dog Hancock couldnt give him away and that 8 mil colt a few years ago was breathe taking and I think he is still working in 38 and change over a 3 variant track lol.. 90% luck 10% skill.

is it happy hour?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

http://auctions.bloodhorse.com/article/46988.htm

Big Brown's half-sister by Touch Gold didn't sell. Again I don't claim to be a conformation expert but I wouldn't argue with their idea that she's not gonna be ready for much as a 2yo. I'd be afraid of her legs giving out--is that me just not being able to appreciate the lines of a filly or are her forelegs just not impressive in terms of bone?

pictures are pretty worthless in terms of evaluating conformation because of the angles. If anything she was weak in her hind end. I suppose that I would be a bit concerned if I was IEAH that BB's sister couldnt even draw much live money. Name another stallion who will be in his stud fee range whose sister wouldnt bring $500k regardless of what they looked like. I know Touch Gold isnt exactly a top sire but she wasnt that bad of a horse. Of course without BB in the pedigree she would be selling next weekend.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

pictures are pretty worthless in terms of evaluating conformation because of the angles. If anything she was weak in her hind end. I suppose that I would be a bit concerned if I was IEAH that BB's sister couldnt even draw much live money. Name another stallion who will be in his stud fee range whose sister wouldnt bring $500k regardless of what they looked like. I know Touch Gold isnt exactly a top sire but she wasnt that bad of a horse. Of course without BB in the pedigree she would be selling next weekend.

Agreed 1000%. I was thinking the same thing. Not only angles, but much more as well I would say. I watch every session on the internet, I've been sent pictures of horses, etc. and it's virtually worthless. Unless it's so obvious, but to get into the real details? No way.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ELA

Agreed 1000%. I was thinking the same thing. Not only angles, but much more as well I would say. I watch every session on the internet, I've been sent pictures of horses, etc. and it's virtually worthless. Unless it's so obvious, but to get into the real details? No way.

Eric

I looked at a horse today and from every angle she looked great, except one. if you stood directly behind her and watched her front feet hit the ground as she walked away you could tell she was correctively shod, hiding a conformation issue, which in her case was turning in from the fetlocks.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

pictures are pretty worthless in terms of evaluating conformation because of the angles. If anything she was weak in her hind end. I suppose that I would be a bit concerned if I was IEAH that BB's sister couldnt even draw much live money. Name another stallion who will be in his stud fee range whose sister wouldnt bring $500k regardless of what they looked like. I know Touch Gold isnt exactly a top sire but she wasnt that bad of a horse. Of course without BB in the pedigree she would be selling next weekend.

You don't like Touch Gold? I think he's one of the most underrated sires out there. Short, long, dirt, grass, synthetic- seems like his runners are good and versatile, just hasn't had the home run horse (yet).

[paisjpq]

congrats to my good friends @ Trackside Farm for today's big filly!

http://auctions.bloodhorse.com/article/47020.htm

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by philcski

You don't like Touch Gold? I think he's one of the most underrated sires out there. Short, long, dirt, grass, synthetic- seems like his runners are good and versatile, just hasn't had the home run horse (yet).

He may be versatile but he is not considered a book one sire. He may do more damage as a broodmare sire being by Deputy Minister who is a great bm sire

[Cannon Shell]

"Talking about why she traveled from Europe to purchase yearlings in America, Sanderson said, “I think the way breeding is now and the way the gene pool is going it is more sensible to come out of Europe. I think outcrosses are very important and I think it is important for the genetic pool that we go forward"

Another Euro that loves our supposedly "drug weakened" gene pool

[magic_idol]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

"Talking about why she traveled from Europe to purchase yearlings in America, Sanderson said, “I think the way breeding is now and the way the gene pool is going it is more sensible to come out of Europe. I think outcrosses are very important and I think it is important for the genetic pool that we go forward"

Another Euro that loves our supposedly "drug weakened" gene pool

Unfortunately chuck over here everyone scrambled for Danehill & Stormcat that it is now almost imposssible to have those two sire lines out of your horses so Keeneland has a great variety of sire lines will find the article on it

[magic_idol]

US Market Offer's Diversity Submited On:9/1/2008Posted On:9/1/2008 Author:Tara Madgwick

There is no escaping a certain sameness to Australian yearling sale catalogues, there’s Redoute’s Choice, there’s Encosta de Lago, there is this son of Danehill and that son of Danehill, but what about those investors looking for something else?

The Keeneland September Yearling Sale kicks off on September 8 with the first of 5,555 lots and you know what, not one of them are by Redoute’s Choice or Encosta de Lago!

While it’s great to have two such dominant stallions standing in Australia, it does make it hard to get away from them and with so many breeders now finding themselves going around in circles to an extent, a trip to Kentucky can open the eyes to other sires and other female families that may enhance what we have here at home.

While the European scene is very much dominated by Northern Dancer and his sire sons Danzig and Sadler’s Wells as we see here in Australia, the pattern in North America is very different.

In North America there were 33 stallions standing at a fee of $US50,000 or more in 2008 as compared to Australia where there are just 17.

Of those 17 Australian based sires that stand for $50,000 and upwards, seven of them are Danehill line horses and of the 33 elite sires in North America, none of them are Danehill line horses – so there is your reason to go to Keeneland and at least have a look to see what’s on offer.

Imported female families are hot commercial property in Australia, just take a look at sales conducted in the past month.

Top price of $1,050,000 at the Inglis August Thoroughbred Sale in Victoria was Group Three placed mare Danevade, a Danehill mare from an imported daughter of Machiavellian in Subterfuge (GB), a half-sister to two European stakes-winners.

Top price of $1.3 million at the Magic Millions Thoroughbred Sale on the Gold Coast was To Be Surprised, a Redoute’s Choice mare from Patrona (USA), a half-sister to three US stakes-winners by Lomond.
Both Subterfuge and Patrona are examples of what Australian breeders need to find overseas, well-bred fillies with outcross pedigrees to make the most of what we have here at home.

Patrona produced dual Group One winner and hot young sire Exceed and Excel from a mating to Danehill, while Subterfuge is the dam of HK Group One winner Scintillation and multiple Group Two winner Shania Dane from coverings to the same sire.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by magic_idol

Unfortunately chuck over here everyone scrambled for Danehill & Stormcat that it is now almost imposssible to have those two sire lines out of your horses so Keeneland has a great variety of sire lines will find the article on it

I know but I was just posting it for the " the rest of the world laughs at our 'drug induced' horses" crowd.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I appreciate it.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by philcski

You don't like Touch Gold? I think he's one of the most underrated sires out there. Short, long, dirt, grass, synthetic- seems like his runners are good and versatile, just hasn't had the home run horse (yet).

Adena Springs sires has an impressive list of Stallians, I agree for 20K live foal fee Touch Gold would almost seem like a bargain. Awesome Again the other Deputy Minister was probably the better Stronach horse when at a time heading into that crazy Breeders Cup Touch Gold seemingly was always considered the better horse.? I have a feeling Ghostzapper will be the sire that gives his dad a run for his money, another Adena Sire to keep eye on could be North Light, by Danehill. 1st time Turf pedigree.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

"Talking about why she traveled from Europe to purchase yearlings in America, Sanderson said, “I think the way breeding is now and the way the gene pool is going it is more sensible to come out of Europe. I think outcrosses are very important and I think it is important for the genetic pool that we go forward"

Another Euro that loves our supposedly "drug weakened" gene pool

No Chuck that is an excuse.. They like playing 60 cents on a dollar

[magic_idol]

Surely Smarty wasn't
Big Brown "well i could believe that "

Been funny watching the Distorted Humours go through his fee over here was 7k

[Scav]

Originally Posted by magic_idol

Surely Smarty wasn't
Big Brown "well i could believe that "

Been funny watching the Distorted Humours go through his fee over here was 7k

When was his fee that low?