"The fundamentals of our economy are strong"

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Well said.

The sad part is either one of these guys is a one term prez...no matter how good they do.

I don't know, if Palin is experienced enough to be President now then imagine how experienced she'll be in four years when she runs for re-election.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

How about Mr. Bidens dumbass comment today.

"Wealthy Americans MUST pay more taxes to show patriotism"

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09...ow-patriotism/

That is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard!

"YOu have worked SO hard, had a great education, made yourself successful, so I'm (dem) going to steal more money from you and tell you that you are unpatriotic to want to not pay more taxes"

Fin idiot.

It makes sense...you can afford the taxes so why not pay more? You'll still be ahead of everyone else...but you should help out those that aren't successful too.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by nebrady

You should know your facts. ABC news last night said that Phil Graham was no longer part of Mccains economic team. Also running the us is not like a company. In a company the boss decides how to run the company. America doesn't work like that. We have checks and balances, that assure the president will not get out of control.

If Geedubbya (and his "advisors") are good at 1 thing, it's figuring out how to get around these checks n' balances. The fact is that he got us into this war using false information. Of course, he does the sidestep by saying he didn't know it was bad. That may,or may not be true. Fact is he got around the checks n' balances by selling a lie very hard. How do you go to war against Iraq(when you need Congress to back it?)You tell a lie, or you find information that supports what you want to sell. I am amazed that people are so quick to give this guy a pass on this. What's to stop the next guy from doing the same thing? I got bad info. I didn't check it very well, but oh well. Got Congress to do what I wanted. The goal(invading Iraq) was accomplished. This is the way he got around these "checks n' balances." They didn't work. They got around them by selling a lie, and claiming ignorance. Nothing to keep another President from doing it again.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Ok, I will bite.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

How about Mr. Bidens dumbass comment today.

"Wealthy Americans MUST pay more taxes to show patriotism"

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09...ow-patriotism/

That is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard!

I think Biden would have been better off to word it by saying 'Wealthy Americans who really want to put their country first will understand and welcome a tax increase.'

McCain's message is that he wants to reform government by putting an end to the "me first, country second" culture in Washington.

The Republican party has transformed into big government borrow and spend - The Democratic party once might have been big government tax and spend - now they are just big government spend.... and are more worried about getting elected than fighting for tax increases to the people and corporations who can most easily afford it.

Any person who seriously puts "country first" and themselves second would demand that spending be cut in a big way and tax rev increased.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

"YOu have worked SO hard, had a great education, made yourself successful, so I'm (dem) going to steal more money from you and tell you that you are unpatriotic to want to not pay more taxes"

Me first, Country second says what?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

How about Mr. Bidens dumbass comment today.

"Wealthy Americans MUST pay more taxes to show patriotism"

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09...ow-patriotism/

That is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard!

"YOu have worked SO hard, had a great education, made yourself successful, so I'm (dem) going to steal more money from you and tell you that you are unpatriotic to want to not pay more taxes"

Fin idiot.

Under OBAMA'S PLAN, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut. When the Middle Class gets their fair share, I will start worrying about the wealthy. They usually just pay the average guy less(to make up for this tax increase you worry so much about.) Please note the divide between the rich and the other classes is increasing(not decreasing.) They find a way to keep making more, and it's usually by shorting other people. Look at pro sports. They charge the average person more n' more to pay these wealthy people. Tax them more, and they will just keep making the average person pay more. This country is set up for the wealthy, and always will be. I wouldn't worry your pretty lil head so much about them. They still seem to find their way to the horse auctions to spend money. As far as Patriotic goes, they wanted Geedubbya. Let them pay more to support his fiasco in IRAQ. They wanted him in. He spent a bunch of money on Iraq, and bailing out the rich on wallstreet etc. That's their guy spending dat dough. They can pay more to pay for his s-h-i-t. They wanted de-regulation. Hands off big business. Now they bailing out big business. Wealthy people paying taxes that are going for war and to bail out other wealthy people. If you're worried about tax money going to people who need it most, don't worry so much. Republicans in congress will fight him all the way on anything having to do with helping the poor or middle class. Do you consider this bail out s-h-i-t to be patriotic? Geedubbya seems to. Where do you think that money comes from? It's either coming from the wealthy or they just print new money. Nobody else has it to give.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Under OBAMA'S PLAN, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut.

His plan sucks.

The vast majority of Americans don't need a tax cut.... and those making over 50K a year need an increase if anything.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

His plan sucks.

The vast majority of Americans don't need a tax cut.... and those making over 50K a year need an increase if anything.

Won't be able to do s-h-i-t anyways. He would be blocked all the way by Congress. Don't know why people care about this. Ain't like they do it. "PLANs" are usually fkn fairy tales. What he could do is not reduce taxes for the wealthy. That's about as far as he would get.

[Bigsmc]

Watching C-Span now and they are talking about the economy. Thought I'd stay with it for a bit and see what is being done.

(I am paraphrasing these two speeches to illustrate what I heard)
Hillary just talked for 20 minutes plus pointing her finger squarely at the Repubs the whole speech. In the last 30 seconds ending with we Democrats are here to help, but offered nothing specific.

Jon Kyl spoke next for 20 minutes saying it wasn't us. We saw it coming, but the Dems blocked us and wouldn't let us fix it. He lost me late as he was blabbing on, but basically offered nothing just like Hillary.

I'll never get the last 40 minutes of my life back....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Watching C-Span now and they are talking about the economy. Thought I'd stay with it for a bit and see what is being done.

(I am paraphrasing these two speeches to illustrate what I heard)
Hillary just talked for 20 minutes plus pointing her finger squarely at the Repubs the whole speech. In the last 30 seconds ending with we Democrats are here to help, but offered nothing specific.

Jon Kyl spoke next for 20 minutes saying it wasn't us. We saw it coming, but the Dems blocked us and wouldn't let us fix it. He lost me late as he was blabbing on, but basically offered nothing just like Hillary.

I'll never get the last 40 minutes of my life back....

You are watching C span at 4 am? Just caught your eye while searching for Girls Gone Wild infomercials?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Well, here is who they are gunna bail out. Somebody wants to make money off of an ice cream man. He says he wants something nice to live in, but can't afford it at all. Wealthy company wants to make money off anybody with 2 balls or a slit. So, they let him have a 500k loan to buy a house. The company doesn't care that he puts barely anything down etc. They just want that baby bottle(all that interest each month.) Problem is the house is now worth 350k-400k. They don't like that. Instead of taking that hit, Bush is gunna take that loan off their hands. You're gunna pay for it. The same people that claim they want smaller gov't etc. are the ones getting bailed out on loans they made. See the hypocrisy? Same as the war. They claim they want smaller gov't, but want to piss away a ton of money in IRAQ. Atleast the Libertarians are honest about being selfish a-holes. They don't say they want smaller gov't when it's convenient . They really want smaller gov't. These wealthy companies been living the high life on the high interest they've been charging on bad loans. When the price of houses go down, they don't want to take the hit they should have to take. The taxpayer is gunna take that hit. So, don't complain about taxes being too high on the wealthy. They are getting repaid here plenty in this deal. What about the parties, the vacations, the expensive houses paid for off the high interest on the bad loans? All is forgiven for the rich n' powerful. It's o.k. for them to get rich, but when it's time to lose a lil money, they claim bankruptcy n' beg BUSH to bail them out.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are watching C span at 4 am? Just caught your eye while searching for Girls Gone Wild infomercials?

you say that like it's a bad thing

[philcski]

What are you all talking about?? Nothing happened this week...

IF YOU TOOK THIS WEEK OFF, YOU DID NOT MISS ANYTHING....

**9-12-08 CLOSE** **9-19-08 AFT**
S&P 1252 1251
DOW 11422 11391
2YR 2.21% 2.13%
10 YR 3.72% 3.75%
6MO BILLS 1.55 1.51
FN 30 5s 98-20+ 98-20
CDX IG10 148 150

[GPK]

Originally Posted by philcski

What are you all talking about?? Nothing happened this week...

IF YOU TOOK THIS WEEK OFF, YOU DID NOT MISS ANYTHING....

**9-12-08 CLOSE** **9-19-08 AFT**
S&P 1252 1251
DOW 11422 11391
2YR 2.21% 2.13%
10 YR 3.72% 3.75%
6MO BILLS 1.55 1.51
FN 30 5s 98-20+ 98-20
CDX IG10 148 150

so what the hell do those numbers mean in laymens terms??

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GPK

so what the hell do those numbers mean in laymens terms??

we are screwed

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

we are screwed

Basically....unless you have the plates and the printer ready,yeah!

[Cannon Shell]

Dont worry new taxes and regulation will rid the world of greed and it will benefit all

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont worry new taxes and regulation will rid the world of greed and it will benefit all

that will be the day

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Dont worry new taxes and regulation will rid the world of greed and it will benefit all

Yeah, lower taxes and deregulation has worked wonders hasnt it?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yeah, lower taxes and deregulation has worked wonders hasnt it?

I fail to see that the tax cuts have anything to do with what is happening on WS

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I fail to see that the tax cuts have anything to do with what is happening on WS

dont be coy Chuck. You said that "new taxes and regulation would rid the world of greed and benefit all". This implies what Democrats would bring.

My point was that what the Republicans brought, lower taxes and deregulation, isnt going too well.