9/27 (OSA): Goodwood Day (6 Gr. I stakes)

[letswastemoney]

wow Tiago was like a gazillion wide. With a better trip he would have won.

[PSH]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

wow Tiago was like a gazillion wide. With a better trip he would have won.

Yes, he could have won with a "smart ride" which is an oxymoron when Mike Smith is the jockey. Stardom Bound is good enough vs. her competition to overcome that ride but Tiago is not....

The ride on Tiago was so bad i was embarassed for Smith.

[RolloTomasi]

I thought Spirit One was interesting. I don't know if it was the ride, the unfamiliarity with the surface, or the colt being too amped up prerace, but he ran in spots throughout. Broke well, settled nicely early, made an early bid to reach contention between horses, lost position, then surged back into it at the 1/16th pole just as Well Armed rebroke from the pack. Finished a solid 5th.

Hopefully his connections will use this race as a building block and continue to point for the Classic, rather than target one of the turf races. With a more focused run, he could threaten for a placing I think.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by PSH

Yes, he could have won with a "smart ride" which is an oxymoron when Mike Smith is the jockey. Stardom Bound is good enough vs. her competition to overcome that ride but Tiago is not....

The ride on Tiago was so bad i was embarassed for Smith.

that horse had a more than winning trip today, yes he had to swing out for the stretch but that hardly cost him anything......you have to run down a tiring front running on that track and he could not......can you see major sucker horse in the classic, especially if there or more views that the trip cost him the win.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Cocoa Beach (CHI), Personal Ensign, Pride, My Juliet, Relaxing, Summer Guest, Susan's Girl, Very Subtle, Xtra Heat, Desert Stormer, Typecast, Persian Tiara, Ta Wee, Shuvee, This is off the top of my head, which tends to dwell on the days of my youth.

Oh, geez. First off, can we lay off Personal Ensign already? She was one-in-a-million or whatever.

Secondly, we're trying to talk about the distaff division (ie dirt routers). Its well established that sprinting fillies can tear up with colts for 3/4s of a mile. See ya Very Subtle, My Juliet, Desert Stormer (brutal), Ta Wee.

Thirdly, Susan's Girl was champion 3yo filly. I don't think she ran against colts til she was older. By the same token, Shuvee was the dominant 3yo filly of 1969, winning the Triple Tiara and the Alabama. She lost the championship to Gallant Bloom, who beat her a couple of times in lesser races like the Delaware Oaks and the Gardenia. Either way, she didn't face colts til later.

The rest of your examples are basically plodding stayers that might have run against males in marathon races. They weren't, in many instances, even at the top of their respective divisions much less dominant, and thus not particularly relevant to the discussion at hand.

Oh...and Cocoa Beach?

RED GIANT... sharp

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by hrfan

RED GIANT... sharp

RED GIANT...setup

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Well Armed has everything his own way on paper. Only Surf Cat has a big chance to wrest the pace early, and Well Armed looks to be stronger.
9 furlongs seems short for a classic division turf stakes at this time of year.

Mast Track is a solid synth/turf horse, who doesn't need the lead.

Nice patient start from Gryder on Well Armed, but why did Johnny V force the issue with Mast Track? He obviously wasn't going to get an easy trip up front with Well Armed breathing down his neck, and he doesn't seem like a need-to-lead horse to me... Wonder what Frankel thinks, and if that was the horse being rank or Johnny V misreading the horse??

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Is Albertus Maximus juiced enough to justify use in exotics?? Same old goof, or is the trainer move-up the key to in this race?

yes , but no it wasn't worth any . Albertus Maximus was bet much more than his cumulative form would suggest he was worth, and Fan-Fav Tiago runs 2nd. Smart money knew to bet his last race and some dumb money probably followed Gomez as well. Pretty good trips for AM and Tiago because the track was playing bigtime to the wide finish in the lane.


Was the Classic winner in the Goodwood?
No.
If the track plays the same, the classic winner should be a quality turf horse with late kick. If none such horse enters, Go Between has as much as chance as any by default.

Well Armed has a shot at top 5 in the classic if things go smoothly.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Stones River?

Likes an off track. Hoping Jones sent him through with "Delaware level" meds. Big odds. I bet $1ex Curly w/ 6,8 and $2win StinksRiver

Obviously way too cheap. I don't think he got a call .

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

RED GIANT...setup

the set up was for frankel, RED GIANT RAN HUGE

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Nice patient start from Gryder on Well Armed, but why did Johnny V force the issue with Mast Track? He obviously wasn't going to get an easy trip up front with Well Armed breathing down his neck, and he doesn't seem like a need-to-lead horse to me... Wonder what Frankel thinks, and if that was the horse being rank or Johnny V misreading the horse??





yes , but no it wasn't worth any . Albertus Maximus was bet much more than his cumulative form would suggest he was worth, and Fan-Fav Tiago runs 2nd. Smart money knew to bet his last race and some dumb money probably followed Gomez as well. Pretty good trips for AM and Tiago because the track was playing bigtime to the wide finish in the lane.


Was the Classic winner in the Goodwood?
No.
If the track plays the same, the classic winner should be a quality turf horse with late kick. If none such horse enters, Go Between has as much as chance as any by default.

Well Armed has a shot at top 5 in the classic if things go smoothly.

TIAGO, ran well and IMO is legit in the classic, especially if Commentator does run, the pace will be sharp and Tiago should have got enough out of this race today to be set for a lifetime best race

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I just watched the replay 3 times to get a good read. What was wrong with the ride? Everyone was out in the center of the track and it seems after watching all of todays races that it was the place to be. It looked to me like he just wasn't good enough.

please explain this.... how was the center of the track the place to be ? street boss, clearly the beat and most talented sprinter in his race, gets a amazing pace to run at, but could not get by, please dont tell me the 8 is better then street boss

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by hrfan

the set up was for frankel, RED GIANT RAN HUGE

What? Gomez blew it. He was only about 3 lengths off of a :45 half going 10f and then moved too early. Not to mention the horse is a horrendous hanger. When's the last time he won, when he was life and death to beat allowance horse Zann (with Lava Man and Surf Cat in as lame duck favorites)?

[Bobby Fischer]

logic shmogic

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm not sure what needs explaining. I watched all of the races yesterday, a few times and in my opinion outside was the better path.

In the first race, a Sadler horse ran his eyeballs out (surprise, surprise), the pace setter finished second and a hopeless longshot down the center of the track got up for third, while the O'neill horse who stayed on the rail wasn't moving as well and finished 5th.

In the 3rd, the winner made a wide move on the turn and wore down the winner.

Then you have Zenyatta and Stardom Bound who would have won wherever they were on the track, but still, they were out wide.

The winner of the Ancient Title is another Sadler, so obviously you have to take him with a grain of salt, but again, 4 wide move into the turn. Took over and just held off Street Boss. Street Boss was in the right place on the track.

In the Goodwood, the first 4 finishers all were out in the center of the track.

In the last, the winner, second place finisher and 4th place finisher all out wide or in the center of the track. Even the horse that just got up for 3rd was pretty wide.

All of the jockeys are moving wide. It's kind of like Keeneland in that aspect. If Smith was the only one doing it, I might be able to see a gripe, but when they are all doing it, it just seems unfounded.

geez ...Hoss I thought that was a good analysis of the days racing

[odbaxter]

Originally Posted by CSC

Agreed. I'll tell you what, I don't care what anyone says but I'd love to see her in the Classic and not the Distaff. She ran the last 1/16th in under 6 seconds...rough math and all that's impressive.

If ever there was a time to run this horse versus the boys it is now. Zenyatta has the look of a real monster. I'd be happy and stunned with even money in the LC (distaff).

[CSC]

Originally Posted by odbaxter

If ever there was a time to run this horse versus the boys it is now. Zenyatta has the look of a real monster. I'd be happy and stunned with even money in the LC (distaff).

Agreed, the supplemental fee is probably the hold up I presume?

[odbaxter]

Originally Posted by CSC

Agreed, the supplemental fee is probably the hold up I presume?

I don't understand. I didn't realize that they would have to suppliment; and even if they did, i thought that they would have to pay that fee for either the LC or the Classic. I thought the nomination was for the entire Breeder's program and not a partiular race.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by odbaxter

I don't understand. I didn't realize that they would have to suppliment; and even if they did, i thought that they would have to pay that fee for either the LC or the Classic. I thought the nomination was for the entire Breeder's program and not a partiular race.

I'm not sure, maybe someone can clarify.