Delaware should throw in extra $500k for RA & Zenyatta

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

she ran/won at kee last year.

Well there wont be an excuse if she loses then

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Well there wont be an excuse if she loses then

you ought to know by now that there's ALWAYS an excuse. now...whether it's a good excuse, or a believable one is another story.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you ought to know by now that there's ALWAYS an excuse. now...whether it's a good excuse, or a believable one is another story.

Agreed

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

many people, including some writers are doing just that.

I have learned to live with disappointment in this game, if it happens it happens. None of the boys in california can run with Zenyatta which is the most disappointing to me.

How can you make that statement without seeing her run against males? Not that I'm saying they can but...

[letswastemoney]

The best way to see who is really better......make a last minute decision to move the BC to Churchill this year!!!!

which will never happen but....oh well

Zenyatta is probably better on synth...and RA is probably better on dirt. But RA is going in the Classic if she comes, so we'll never know either for sure

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

The best way to see who is really better......make a last minute decision to move the BC to Churchill this year!!!!

which will never happen but....oh well

Zenyatta is probably better on synth...and RA is probably better on dirt. But RA is going in the Classic if she comes, so we'll never know either for sure

Zenyatta ran her best race on dirt at Oaklawn

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Zenyatta ran her best race on dirt at Oaklawn

One could argue Ginger Punch just threw in a clunker that day. Do you think Ginger Punch had her best in that race? I mean Brownie Points beat her....

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Shireffs and Moss talked it over already and said no.

I laughed heartily.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

One could argue Ginger Punch just threw in a clunker that day. Do you think Ginger Punch had her best in that race? I mean Brownie Points beat her....

Is that what your arguing?

Did she throw in a clunker later in the year as well?

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Is that what your arguing?

Did she throw in a clunker later in the year as well?

Ginger Punch is not a synth horse. If you want to say Zenyatta would dominate Ginger Punch on synthetics no matter what, then yeah I agree. But that was a lousy race by her standards in the Apple Blossom

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

she ran/won at kee last year.

She won an N2L allowance at six furlongs, running the third slowest race of her career. And that was polytrack, not Pro-Ride. This means nothing regarding whether or not she'll be able to handle the Santa Anita surface.

[tector]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

RA faced the boys and beat them. This years best horse is probably not the male version. Zenyatta is arguably the best older horse Male or female this year and RA is the best 3 yo male or female so far. The handicap male divison looks weaker than the 3 yo so running RA in the BC classic is a step down in my opinion.

Well, there would be nothing to stop Zenyatta from showing up there as well, would there?

Oh, I forgot--quack quack.

BTW, if I am rolling the dice on a bizarre surface, why WOULDN'T I run for the much bigger purse, just in case my filly can handle it?

The Zenyatta projected campaign is b-o-r-i-n-g. If somebody wants to be boring with their horse, that's their business. Just don't expect me to give a damn.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by tector

Well, there would be nothing to stop Zenyatta from showing up there as well, would there?

Oh, I forgot--quack quack.

BTW, if I am rolling the dice on a bizarre surface, why WOULDN'T I run for the much bigger purse, just in case my filly can handle it?

The Zenyatta projected campaign is b-o-r-i-n-g. If somebody wants to be boring with their horse, that's their business. Just don't expect me to give a damn.

Is she running for political office? Sherrifs/Moss doesnt take a public poll to see where Zenyatta should run next.

[tector]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Is she running for political office? Sherrifs/Moss doesnt take a public poll to see where Zenyatta should run next.

Obviously.

I already said they don't have to care what the racing public thinks. And we don't have to care what they do, if it is crushingly boring.

It is called mutuality, the hallmark of all great relationships.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no, the best compromise would be a meeting in the fall at saratoga. it's not as tho the mosses never ship-it wouldn't be outrageous to expect them to ship a horse this year that they shipped last year, knowing full well that the bc was in fact in the same location as it will be this fall. i think their reasoning rings hollow. what i really think it is, is that they feel due to rachels running style she would most likely have the upper hand in a meeting. they also probably recognize that HOY will be out of their grasp unless they also chose to face the boys as well, so what would be the point in risking a defeat? may as well try to go out undefeated with their mare. she obviously likes it where she is-and they can certainly dare jackson to come west.

HOY is already out of their grasp unless they run her against boys.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Clearly if I want her to run outside of California for once, that means I want her to go to Europe or Japan.

RA knows where to find her: in Zenyatta's backyard, on a surface she's never tried, after a cross-country ship. Sounds like a real level playing field.

Like it or not, Rachel already has more significant accomplishments than Zenyatta. If anything, she has less to prove.

very true.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

So I take it that RA is not even considering the Breeders Cup? I guess they will stick on the east coast and run against also-rans.

sure like they did by running in the PREAKNESS against the colts??

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Ginger Punch is not a synth horse. If you want to say Zenyatta would dominate Ginger Punch on synthetics no matter what, then yeah I agree. But that was a lousy race by her standards in the Apple Blossom

Zenyatta runs her very best race, ginger punch hers, Zenyatta wins by 5 at least. Ginger Punch was woefully average.

RA would beat GP by that much as well.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Ginger Punch did not run her good race in the apple blossom - she was beat by Brownie Points ... who is a complete bum on dirt and not much better on turf.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Ginger Punch did not run her good race in the apple blossom - she was beat by Brownie Points ... who is a complete bum on dirt and not much better on turf.

So, you think Ginger Punch on a good day was a genuine threat to Zenyatta?