conflict of interest

Originally Posted by -BT-

now it all makes sense, had no clue vic and joel were connected like that.

for the record i voted "yes"

vic is a great announcer, joel is a great jock. But i've never seen/heard a jock get so much pub. each and every ride he has from an announcer. it makes perfect sense that he's his agent now.

-bt-

" So much pub each and every ride" !
Are you high? I've had Joel 7 months and until this past Saturday I've NEVER ONCE said one word about him either during or after a race call. That was the request of my bosses at Hollywood Park and I adhered to it.

[Cannon Shell]

Of all the conflicts of interests in the sport of horseracing or the world in general I would have to believe the track announcer/jockey agent conflict would be among the least relevant or important. Does anyone really believe that a jockey will get more or better mounts because of a race call?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Of all the conflicts of interests in the sport of horseracing or the world in general I would have to believe the track announcer/jockey agent conflict would be among the least relevant or important. Does anyone really believe that a jockey will get more or better mounts because of a race call?

Let me get this straight, since there are other conflicts of interest in the game, this one therefore isn't one? And, as to your final question, why is that relevent?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Of all the conflicts of interests in the sport of horseracing or the world in general I would have to believe the track announcer/jockey agent conflict would be among the least relevant or important. Does anyone really believe that a jockey will get more or better mounts because of a race call?

Jeez Chuck......you seem like a sharp guy. Figured you would have gotten it. It's not about Vic magically making his guy's horse win by calling the horse as others on here seem to believe. Nor is it about him getting his guy better mounts. It's about race fans having to listen to a race caller/jock agent who at times is biased calling his guy's horse. Not sure why all of the confusion.

[Diver67]

So now its the race fans who are being injured? You mean you place your bets based on Vic's calls? Isn't that illegal? Or are you just upset when it turns out Joel's horse isn't doing as well as Vic made it sound? Now I'm really confused. I'm also completely done with these inane threads.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Jeez Chuck......you seem like a sharp guy. Figured you would have gotten it. It's not about Vic magically making his guy's horse win by calling the horse as others on here seem to believe. Nor is it about him getting his guy better mounts. It's about race fans having to listen to a race caller/jock agent who at times is biased calling his guy's horse. Not sure why all of the confusion.

I've been reading this for a few days and for the most part tried to stay out of it, but this is really getting petty. The last I looked and even though it's not a scientific poll most people inluding myself don't really see this as a conflict of interest. Now, I very seldom wager on Hollywood and I wouldn't know Vic if I walked right into him, but before this past weekend I had no idea the guy was an agent for Rosario. Now that I know, I could care less.
I can understand why some might think it's a problem and you've made your points, but for you to accuse others of "not getting it" or being "shortsighted" or even "Vic Stauffer groupies" is childish. Why can't you act more like an adult and just agree to disagree and move on.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Diver67

I'm also completely done with these inane threads.

That's an odd announcement to make along with the rest of your post. I'll take the over.

I do find people's interpretations here extremely interesting. Apparently points of fact are distorted by peoples' misinterpretations.

Vic being a terrific racecaller, that's an opinion....my opinion, is not relevent, for instance, to the conversation. People's personal feelings about him aren't relevent either.

[rpncaine]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I've been reading this for a few days and for the most part tried to stay out of it, but this is really getting petty. The last I looked and even though it's not a scientific poll most people inluding myself don't really see this as a conflict of interest. Now, I very seldom wager on Hollywood and I wouldn't know Vic if I walked right into him, but before this past weekend I had no idea the guy was an agent for Rosario. Now that I know, I could care less.
I can understand why some might think it's a problem and you've made your points, but for you to accuse others of "not getting it" or being "shortsighted" or even "Vic Stauffer groupies" is childish. Why can't you act more like an adult and just agree to disagree and move on.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I don't notice any bias from him in the race calls I've heard of his regarding Rosario.

And he's a sometimes over the top announcer who has shown a clear rooting bias in a few of his major race calls before... not that other announcers don't.

His call of Hal Hope's Florida Derby win, Lava Man's 3rd Gold Cup win, and one of Azeri's HP wins as extreme examples ... though the first two were great races won by very likeable horses ... in the latter one, he was dropping the best traits of greats like Ruffian, Personal Ensign, and Lady's Secret while Azeri was beating Tropical Blossom in fairly workmanlike fashion.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

If you have ridden, great, qualify your post by stating its your own personal experience....my point, thought it missed you, was statistic are thrown around here and people actually take them at face value.

What happened in the 1 race out of a 1000 that you did hear the call?

I hate when people throw statistics around as well......so I am going to point to one stat that is unmistakably clear....the poll results at the top of this page.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Why can't you act more like an adult and just agree to disagree and move on.

Excuse me for butting in but for the record he did just that back on page 6 of the other thread...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ree#post544268

After that he was simply addressing comments directed toward him.

(Sorry for interrupting. Carry on).

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I've been reading this for a few days and for the most part tried to stay out of it, but this is really getting petty. The last I looked and even though it's not a scientific poll most people inluding myself don't really see this as a conflict of interest. Now, I very seldom wager on Hollywood and I wouldn't know Vic if I walked right into him, but before this past weekend I had no idea the guy was an agent for Rosario. Now that I know, I could care less.
I can understand why some might think it's a problem and you've made your points, but for you to accuse others of "not getting it" or being "shortsighted" or even "Vic Stauffer groupies" is childish. Why can't you act more like an adult and just agree to disagree and move on.

When people say that I am implying that Vic's calls actually effect the race's outcome, well..............they aren't getting it. Pretty cut and dry there.


Bite Me.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

When people say that I am implying that Vic's calls actually effect the race's outcome, well..............they aren't getting it. Pretty cut and dry there.


Bite Me.

There you go again.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Excuse me for butting in but for the record he did just that back on page 6 of the other thread...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ree#post544268

After that he was simply addressing comments directed toward him.

(Sorry for interrupting. Carry on).

Some people just don't get it. I gotta open a magic bean stand on DT. I could make millions selling em on here.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

When people say that I am implying that Vic's calls actually effect the race's outcome, well..............they aren't getting it. Pretty cut and dry there.

I don't think anyone is actually saying that. It is more a situation of as long as his calls aren't impacting the race we couldn't care less. I'm used to biased announcers in every sport out there. Even in racing the TVG and HRTV announcers are totally biased towards the west coast. It doesn't matter to me. Obviously to some people it does matter.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

There you go again.

What was so immature about that last post ?

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Excuse me for butting in but for the record he did just that back on page 6 of the other thread...

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ree#post544268

After that he was simply addressing comments directed toward him.

(Sorry for interrupting. Carry on).

See his last couple of post Cat?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't notice any bias from him in the race calls I've heard of his regarding Rosario.

And he's a sometimes over the top announcer who has shown a clear rooting bias in a few of his major race calls before... not that other announcers don't.

His call of Hal Hope's Florida Derby win, Lava Man's 3rd Gold Cup win, and one of Azeri's HP wins as extreme examples ... though the first two were great races won by very likeable horses ... in the latter one, he was dropping the best traits of greats like Ruffian, Personal Ensign, and Lady's Secret while Azeri was beating Tropical Blossom in fairly workmanlike fashion.

Hey amigo.

How are your eyes doing. I am very concerned.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

What was so immature about that last post ?

Nothing other than throwing in the 'ole "Bite Me"

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I don't think anyone is actually saying that. It is more a situation of as long as his calls aren't impacting the race we couldn't care less. I'm used to biased announcers in every sport out there. Even in racing the TVG and HRTV announcers are totally biased towards the west coast. It doesn't matter to me. Obviously to some people it does matter.

Sniper...there are a few rocket scientists on here who have taken what I said and turned it into me implying he can effect the outcome of the race. If that were the case I would be sending him envelopes filled with cash each week and instructions on which horses to call to the winner's circle.

Thats fine if it doesn't bug you and some others. To me it's ridiculous and annoying.