All-time Top 12 seasons by a QB

[King Glorious]

Jim Kelly

Games.......160 (101-59.631)......17 (9-8.529)..............9 (4-5.444)
Comp%..........60.1.....................59.1...... ......................58.0
YPG.............221.7...................227.2..... .......................194.0
TD%.............5.0......................3.9...... .........................2.2
Int%.............3.7......................5.1..... ..........................5.5
Rating..........84.4.....................72.3..... .......................61.5

Very disappointing showing by Kelly. He's got decent numbers for the regular season but in the playoffs, he's been pretty mediocre. His completion % is under 60% and his rating plummets to horrific depths. While never good to begin with, his td/int ratio really gets horrible in the playoffs. He's at 21/28 in the playoffs overall and 6/15 in conference title games and the Super Bowl. His numbers in the big games are very, very poor.

[King Glorious]

Thought this would be interesting to show you all.

Regular season
Completion%
Bradshaw-52.4
Vick-53.9

YPG
Bradshaw-171.9
Vick-162.2

TD%
Bradshaw-5.3
Vick-4.2

Int%
Bradshaw-5.2
Vick-3.0

Rating
Bradshaw-71.9
Vick-76.0

Playoffs
Completion%
Kelly-59.1
Vick-56.3

YPG
Kelly-227.2
Vick-152.3

TD%
Kelly-3.9
Vick-2.9

Int%
Kelly-5.1
Vick-2.9

Rating
Kelly-72.3
Vick-71.2

Interesting how closely he compares to those two hall of fame quarterbacks and that doesn't even count his rushing yards.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Interesting how closely he compares to those two hall of fame quarterbacks and that doesn't even count his rushing yards.

Kelly isn't in the HOF for his Super Bowls. He was hungover for the first one (that was the last year they had one week between conference championships and the Super Bowl, the Bills were big favorites and they admittedly partied too hard), and then let the pressure get to him in the last three while facing incredibly good teams. I'd like to see several QB's ratings against the 1991 Redskins (best team in my lifetime), 1992 Cowboys, and 1993 Cowboys.

Comparing QB ratings over eras is pointless. With the rule changes on bump and run it is a completely different animal. Your comparison of regular season to playoffs, to Super Bowl is quite interesting and appreciated but comparing QBs from 15 years to the QBs of today on statistics is irrelevant. They made the game easier for QBs today with the rule changes.

[King Glorious]

Donovan McNabb

Games.........128 (82-45-1.645)........15 (9-6.600)............6 (1-5.167)
Comp%..........59.1..........................59.6. .....................57.3
YPG.............227.8........................234.8 ......................237.7
TD%..............4.6...........................4.3 .........................4.0
Int%..............2.1...........................3. 0.........................4.0
Rating..........86.4..........................80.8 .......................72.9

McNabb is steady but not great. The standard for a good NFL quarterback is 60% completion rate and he's just below that. His qb rating is also not too good and drops as the pressure increases. Also notice that while he's over 2/1 in td/int ratio during the regular season, he falls to 1/1 when the biggest money is on the line.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Donovan McNabb

Games.........128 (82-45-1.645)........15 (9-6.600)............6 (1-5.167)
Comp%..........59.1..........................59.6. .....................57.3
YPG.............227.8........................234.8 ......................237.7
TD%..............4.6...........................4.3 .........................4.0
Int%..............2.1...........................3. 0.........................4.0
Rating..........86.4..........................80.8 .......................72.9

McNabb is steady but not great. The standard for a good NFL quarterback is 60% completion rate and he's just below that. His qb rating is also not too good and drops as the pressure increases. Also notice that while he's over 2/1 in td/int ratio during the regular season, he falls to 1/1 when the biggest money is on the line.

^^^ what he said


but I get crap for saying it!

[Crown@club]

Interesting - Career QB Rating in the Super Bowl. 2 game minimum of course.

Passer Rating (Career)
1. Joe Montana 127.83 (4 SB)
2. Jim Plunkett 122.83 (2 SB)
3. Terry Bradshaw 112.80 (4 SB)
4. Troy Aikman 111.93 (3 SB)
5. Bart Starr 105.98 (2 SB)
6. Brett Favre 97.61 (2 SB)
7. Roger Staubach 96.33 (4 SB)
8. Kurt Warner 95.94 (3 SB)
9. Tom Brady 95.12 (4 SB)
10. Len Dawson 84.75 (2 SB)

[Crown@club]

Career Passer Rating. (Overrated?)

1. Steve Young+ 96.8 1985-1999 2TM
2. Peyton Manning (32) 95.2 1998-2009 clt
3. Kurt Warner (37) 93.5 1998-2009 3TM
4. Tony Romo (28) 93.3 2004-2009 dal
5. Philip Rivers (27) 92.7 2004-2009 sdg
6. Tom Brady (31) 92.5 2000-2009 nwe
7. Joe Montana+ 92.3 1979-1994 2TM
8. Chad Pennington (32) 90.1 2000-2009 2TM
9. Drew Brees (29) 90.0 2001-2009 2TM
Ben Roethlisberger (26) 90.0 2004-2009 pit
11. Daunte Culpepper (31) 88.9 1999-2009 4TM
12. Carson Palmer (29) 88.1 2004-2009 cin
13. Matt Schaub (27) 87.9 2004-2009 2TM
14. Jeff Garcia (38) 87.5 1999-2009 5TM
15. Jay Cutler (25) 87.3 2006-2009 2TM
16. Otto Graham+ 86.6 1946-1955 cle
17. Dan Marino+ 86.4 1983-1999 mia
18. Trent Green 86.0 1997-2008 4TM
19. Donovan McNabb (32) 85.8 1999-2009 phi
20. Brett Favre (39) 85.7 1991-2009 4TM
David Garrard (30) 85.7 2002-2009 jax

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Kelly isn't in the HOF for his Super Bowls. He was hungover for the first one (that was the last year they had one week between conference championships and the Super Bowl, the Bills were big favorites and they admittedly partied too hard), and then let the pressure get to him in the last three while facing incredibly good teams. I'd like to see several QB's ratings against the 1991 Redskins (best team in my lifetime), 1992 Cowboys, and 1993 Cowboys.

Regular season defense with Kelly's SB numbers against them in ()
1991 Redskins allowed
53.3% completions (48.3)
205.8 ypg (275)
58.9 rating (44.8)

1992 Cowboys allowed
54.3% completions (57.1)
189.6 ypg (82)
69.9 rating (58.9)

That SB is kind of odd numbers wise because Kelly only three seven passes. He went 4-7 for 82 yards with no touchdowns and two interceptions.

1993 Cowboys allowed
60.2% completions (62.0)
209.2 ypg (260)
75.3 rating (67.1)

In each situation, his rating was well below what the defense allowed during the course of the year. Interstingly, in the one you say he partied too hard and was hung over, he performed better than the rest of the league against the Giants.

1990 Giants allowed
56.0% completions (60.0)
183.3 ypg (212)
62.2 rating (81.5)

Kelly had played the Giants in the regular season and had a 129.0 rating against them.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Regular season defense with Kelly's SB numbers against them in ()
1991 Redskins allowed
53.3% completions (48.3)
205.8 ypg (275)
58.9 rating (44.8)

1992 Cowboys allowed
54.3% completions (57.1)
189.6 ypg (82)
69.9 rating (58.9)

That SB is kind of odd numbers wise because Kelly only three seven passes. He went 4-7 for 82 yards with no touchdowns and two interceptions.

1993 Cowboys allowed
60.2% completions (62.0)
209.2 ypg (260)
75.3 rating (67.1)

In each situation, his rating was well below what the defense allowed during the course of the year. Interstingly, in the one you say he partied too hard and was hung over, he performed better than the rest of the league against the Giants.

1990 Giants allowed
56.0% completions (60.0)
183.3 ypg (212)
62.2 rating (81.5)

Kelly had played the Giants in the regular season and had a 129.0 rating against them.

That is pretty amazing that the Redskins held their opponents to a 58.9 rating on the season. Basically they made every opposing QB in the NFL look like Ryan Leaf.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Donovan McNabb

Games.........128 (82-45-1.645)........15 (9-6.600)............6 (1-5.167)
Comp%..........59.1..........................59.6. .....................57.3
YPG.............227.8........................234.8 ......................237.7
TD%..............4.6...........................4.3 .........................4.0
Int%..............2.1...........................3. 0.........................4.0
Rating..........86.4..........................80.8 .......................72.9

McNabb is steady but not great. The standard for a good NFL quarterback is 60% completion rate and he's just below that. His qb rating is also not too good and drops as the pressure increases. Also notice that while he's over 2/1 in td/int ratio during the regular season, he falls to 1/1 when the biggest money is on the line.

He will tell you ALL that matters is his winning %. He's had a step above dog $hit as receivers for practically his whole career, up until now. This year forward will cement/determine whether his tenure here will be deemed a success, and I feel that it will,(unbiasedly of course ) and that his best days are AHEAD of him. D-Jack will bring out the best of 5 and vice versa. If only he had the threat of a REAL run game (like Eli) to open up the field via play action. Opposing teams know damn well that he is tucking that ball into his chest instead of handing it off, which is HUGE for pass rushing specialists. Andy also needs to rip those Shotgun formation run plays and those A-gap run plays out of the menu. They are about as stale as my in-laws easter candy.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

He will tell you ALL that matters is his winning %. He's had a step above dog $hit as receivers for practically his whole career, up until now. This year forward will cement/determine whether his tenure here will be deemed a success, and I feel that it will,(unbiasedly of course ) and that his best days are AHEAD of him. D-Jack will bring out the best of 5 and vice versa. If only he had the threat of a REAL run game (like Eli) to open up the field via play action. Opposing teams know damn well that he is tucking that ball into his chest instead of handing it off, which is HUGE for pass rushing specialists. Andy also needs to rip those Shotgun formation run plays and those A-gap run plays out of the menu. They are about as stale as my in-laws easter candy.

That's always true. All that does matter is winning but what has he won? He's won one conference title and no Super Bowl. He's 1-5 in conference title games and the SB. He's got a lower winning % in the playoffs than in the regular season. We all know that he hasn't had great receivers but he's had the same ones for each playoff season as he's had for that regular season. His numbers tail off as the games get bigger. So far, of all the quarterbacks I've done, here's how their regular season rating compares to their rating in conference title games/SB

Aikman +23.0
Montana +12.6
Bradshaw +9.7
Favre +6.1
Warner +1.8
Brady -3.7
Young -3.9
Elway -5.5
Roethlisberger -7.3
Marino -12.1
McNabb -13.5
Fouts -16.0
Kelly -22.9
P. Manning -30.4

[King Glorious]

Dan Fouts

Games.........171 (86-84-1.506).......7 (3-4.429)...........2 (0-2.000)
Comp%...........58.9.......................55.6... ..................50.7
YPG..............248.8.....................303.6.. ..................260.5
TD%.............4.6..........................4.2.. .....................4.1
Int%.............4.3..........................5.6. .....................5.5
Rating.........80.9..........................70.1. ...................64.9

Fouts is more highly regarded than he probably should be. He played in an offensive system that was highly prolific and his career touchdown and yards numbers are good. But he was a below average passer when it came to accuracy and his rating was average at best. During the playoffs, I'd even say he was mediocre. Rating was bad, accuracy was bad, and he threw more interceptions than touchdowns.

[King Glorious]

Warren Moon

Games.........203 (102-101.502)..........10 (3-7.300)
Comp%...............58.5........................64 .3
YPG...................241.2......................2 87.0
TD%...................4.2......................... 4.2
Int%..................3.4......................... .3.5
Rating...............80.8........................8 4.9

Moon is interesting. He didn't really play for a lot of good teams and his career winning percentage is not good. He's got a decent qb rating and his completion % is a little low but not horrible. What gets interesting is when you look at his playoff numbers. He increases his production in all areas by a good margin but the record doesn't show it. He's never played in a conference title game or Super Bowl so that's why there are only two columns for him. With the other guys I've done, you can see a correlation between their play and their team's success. With Moon, you can't. He's one of those that you want to say it's not his fault when his team loses because he did his job.

[declansharbor]

QB ratings are as useless as turf beyers.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

QB ratings are as useless as turf beyers.

I don't think that's true at all. I think that what Sniper said about comparing them from different eras is valid. But when it's the same era, I think there is something to be said. Especially when it's the same player comparing his regular season numbers to his playoff numbers.

[King Glorious]

Staubach

Games.........114 (85-29.746).........17 (11-6.647)..........10 (6-4.600)
Comp%..........57.2........................53.8... ...................56.3
YPG.............191.4......................151.4.. ...................153.5
TD%..............5.3..........................5.5. .....................6.5
Int%..............3.5..........................4.9 .....................5.2
Rating...........85.0.........................72.4 ....................76.7

This guy is in the hall of fame? Talk about an average quarterback? How about below average? He was below average in accuracy and not much better with his rating. He didn't throw for a lot of yards. His td/int ratio wasn't anything to write home about. But he won. I always thought that Bradshaw was the model of an average quarterback that benefitted from having a lot of talent around him but now I'm not sure which guy was luckier. Amazing that these guys have six titles between them while Elway, Favre, Marino, and Moon have a combined three.

[King Glorious]

Fran Tarkenton

Games......239 (124-109-6.531)......11 (6-5.545)............6 (3-3.500)
Comp%.........57.0.........................51.0... ...................49.7
YPG.............194.8......................163.9.. ....................148.0
TD%............5.3...........................3.8.. .......................1.9
Int%............4.1...........................5.8. ........................5.7
Rating.........80.3.........................58.6.. .....................49.5

Hold the damn horses. How the hell is Tarkenton in the hall of fame? This is depressing to read. What has he done that's noteworthy? His regular season numbers are average at best. So you'd think maybe he was some great winner. But he wasn't. He did get to three Super Bowls but looking at his numbers during the playoffs, you have to think his teams did it in spite of him. Those playoff numbers are horrific. Barely over 50% completions and an 11/17 td/int ratio. And it gets worse in the big games. And even worse in the Super Bowl itself. In the three Super Bowls, he's at 51.7% completions with one td and six interceptions, 163.0 yards per game and a 43.7 rating. Why in the hell is this guy in the hall of fame. After he made it to the Super Bowl last year, I heard a lot of people debating about whether or not Kurt Warner will make it. Kurt Warner is light years better than Fran Tarkenton. He kills him in stats, has been to as many Super Bowls and has actually won one. I liked Fran on "That's Incredible" but the real incredible fact is that he's in the hall of fame.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

QB ratings are as useless as turf beyers.

You took that from my list didn't you!!!! Thats what I thought when I listed overrated.

You see these guys on here and you would say no way!!

4. Tony Romo (28) 93.3 2004-2009 dal
5. Philip Rivers (27) 92.7 2004-2009 sdg
8. Chad Pennington (32) 90.1 2000-2009 2TM
11. Daunte Culpepper (31) 88.9 1999-2009 4TM
12. Carson Palmer (29) 88.1 2004-2009 cin
13. Matt Schaub (27) 87.9 2004-2009 2TM
14. Jeff Garcia (38) 87.5 1999-2009 5TM
15. Jay Cutler (25) 87.3 2006-2009 2TM
18. Trent Green 86.0 1997-2008 4TM
David Garrard (30) 85.7 2002-2009 jax

[dalakhani]

Great stuff here KG. keep it coming.

[King Glorious]

Here's the way I look at it. A rating is like a raw time at the racetrack. A horse might run 6f in 1:10. Another horse at another track might run it in 1:12. You can't compare the two because there are so many variables that go into why one was faster than the other. Same thing with a qb rating. One quarterback may play in a system that focuses on the deep pass. Another may play in one where 60% of his passes are 3-7 yard dinks. One quarterback may play with Barry Sanders and the other has Berry Gordy. So it's hard to compare them to each other and it's even harder to compare guys of different years or eras. But what you can compare with a little more accuracy is one horse against himself. If he runs six races at SA and all of them are between 1:09 4/5 and 1:10 2/5 then all of a sudden, he runs a 1:08, you know that was a really fast race for him or if it's a 1:12, it's a slow one. Same thing I'm doing here. I'm not focusing on how each quarterback compares against the others as much as I am looking at how they fare against themselves under the different levels of pressure. Looked at that way, I think the numbers are a good gauge and very useful.