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Old 10-14-2009, 08:30 AM
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29th on the WORLDWIDE turf earnings sire list

Ahead of Smart Strike
Storm Cat
Kingmambo
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:32 AM
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30th leading route sire Worldwide
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:33 AM
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I was hoping not to have to do it but since none of the new porn up looks interesting and worth the time to download ....

2009 Group or Graded Stakes Turf winners by sires in North America, Europe, and UAE

Danehill Dancer 12
Oasis Dream 11
Galileo 11
Pivotal 9
Sadler's Wells 9
Montjeu 8
Cape Cross 7
Giant's Causeway 7
Dansili 7
High Chaparral 7
Dynaformer 6
Dalakhani 6
Monsun 6
Unusual Heat 0


Wanna know why? Because he's not a tremendous sire.

He's certainly a tremendous sire of Cal Bred turf and synthetic horses. And I will give you that he does move up his mares. Yippee.
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:47 AM
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I was hoping not to have to do it but since none of the new porn up looks interesting and worth the time to download ....

2009 Group or Graded Stakes Turf winners by sires in North America, Europe, and UAE

Danehill Dancer 12
Oasis Dream 11
Galileo 11
Pivotal 9
Sadler's Wells 9
Montjeu 8
Cape Cross 7
Giant's Causeway 7
Dansili 7
High Chaparral 7
Dynaformer 6
Dalakhani 6
Monsun 6
Unusual Heat 0


Wanna know why? Because he's not a tremendous sire.

He's certainly a tremendous sire of Cal Bred turf and synthetic horses. And I will give you that he does move up his mares. Yippee.
Well by that measure there are only 2 American sires who are any good.

Any person with reasonable judgement and cognitive skills would understand given his circumstances and the ones of the horses listed above that he wouldnt have to produce international grade 1 winners to be considered a tremendous sire. The fact that his foal crops are minute in comparison to the others:
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and that his best mares wouldn't even be accepted to most of the others makes most people understand the magnitude of what he has done and how good a sire he has to be in order to produce the way he has. The fact that virtually every mare he has bred has produced their best foal when matched with him means a lot. The fact that virtually every mare sent to him is a breed to race mare, leaving him with a minute % of black type mares to produce from means a lot.
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:49 AM
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Top 10 sires in North America by turf starts.

Dynaformer 340
Stormy Atlantic 326
Smart Strike 306
Giant's Causeway 285
Lemon Drop Kid 262
More Than Ready 261
Unusual Heat 259
Grand Slam 255
Langfuhr 251
Royal Academy 234
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:04 AM
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Top 10 sires in North America by turf starts.

Dynaformer 340
Stormy Atlantic 326
Smart Strike 306
Giant's Causeway 285
Lemon Drop Kid 262
More Than Ready 261
Unusual Heat 259
Grand Slam 255
Langfuhr 251
Royal Academy 234
Is this supposed to be negative?
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:05 AM
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Well by that measure there are only 2 American sires who are any good.

Any person with reasonable judgement and cognitive skills would understand given his circumstances and the ones of the horses listed above that he wouldnt have to produce international grade 1 winners to be considered a tremendous sire. The fact that his foal crops are minute in comparison to the others:
15
29
26
22
63
68
79
61

and that his best mares wouldn't even be accepted to most of the others makes most people understand the magnitude of what he has done and how good a sire he has to be in order to produce the way he has. The fact that virtually every mare he has bred has produced their best foal when matched with him means a lot. The fact that virtually every mare sent to him is a breed to race mare, leaving him with a minute % of black type mares to produce from means a lot.
When he finally sires something better than Lennyfromalibu wake me.

The dam of Lethal Heat earned over 300K and ran a 97 Beyer a few times.

He's bound to start getting a lot better mares ... we will see if that better book and larger foal crop leads to an actual good horse.
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:12 AM
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Is this supposed to be negative?
He's 7th in turf starts, just three out of 5th place - and he's 4th in turf earnings.

And a lot of his offspring are running for inflated state bred purses. A lot of them aren't bad geldings in cheap claiming turf races at lesser track like I see with an oddly high number of Stormy Atlantics.
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:24 AM
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Chuck, if only you had a time machine back then...you could have fast forwarded to 2009 and have a leading contender for the Older Male Eclipse!
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:22 AM
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Dont get me wrong, I think Catienus is a very nice sire and has never got his due.
I cant for the life of me understand how a plodder like himself that wanted to run 12f, sires a horse like Talent Search who breaks like a rocket and is one of the faster horses for 4-5f we have seen the last few years.

Interesting that Clement lost this horse to KR for 50K...which is even worse than losing Furthest Land for 35K with all of his conditions in tack.
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:27 AM
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Chuck, if only you had a time machine back then...you could have fast forwarded to 2009 and have a leading contender for the Older Male Eclipse!
Amazing isnt it? He was about the 30th best horse back then.
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:28 AM
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Bertrando lite? LOL

BTW he is ahead of Speightstown on every sire list
We have finally found a way for you to earn 5 million EASY..

Take this data over to the big Stallion operations and convince them to purchase The BIG TIME Cal Stal for 20mil your chop is 5 mil I am pretty sure the Abrams group will take 15mil..

I mean seriously you have a magnificent fairly young stallion capable of having antype from any type..Imagine if Darley got behind him? We could be sitting on the next Sadlers Well or Storm Cat..

You can't possibly think Unusual Heat will EVER be the stallion Speightstown is? I watched 1 other then's with 5 Speightowns in them all of which were 90 plus BSF horses within 5 races..

Folks that Zia Park race for 200k has 2 nice Unusal Heats..lol

Class Chuck not Splash
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:29 AM
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He's 7th in turf starts, just three out of 5th place - and he's 4th in turf earnings.

And a lot of his offspring are running for inflated state bred purses. A lot of them aren't bad geldings in cheap claiming turf races at lesser track like I see with an oddly high number of Stormy Atlantics.
Stormy Atlantic produced My Princess Jess ..enough said
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:32 AM
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Dont get me wrong, I think Catienus is a very nice sire and has never got his due.
I cant for the life of me understand how a plodder like himself that wanted to run 12f, sires a horse like Talent Search who breaks like a rocket and is one of the faster horses for 4-5f we have seen the last few years.

Interesting that Clement lost this horse to KR for 50K...which is even worse than losing Furthest Land for 35K with all of his conditions in tack.
TS must have had a lot of mr P in him
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:34 AM
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Talent Search debuted for a tag at Tampa two days before Christmas - Fabulous Strike debuted at Tampa two days after Christmas that same year.

I was there both days.

My mom's birthday is Christmas Eve and Christmas is a big thing for us the next day.

I almost got disowned that year for not showing up or calling either day. I was probably too busy posting and making speed figures for greyhound tracks.
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:43 AM
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Talent Search debuted for a tag at Tampa two days before Christmas - Fabulous Strike debuted at Tampa two days after Christmas that same year.

I was there both days.

My mom's birthday is Christmas Eve and Christmas is a big thing for us the next day.

I almost got disowned that year for not showing up or calling either day. I was probably too busy posting and making speed figures for greyhound tracks.
The great Joe Woodard debuted him for 12,500 if Im not mistaken.
Both horses went on to run 1-2 in the same G1 Vosburgh at Belmont in October 2007.
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:47 AM
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Yep.

Florida is God's country ... lots of skanky girls with tattoos.
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:50 AM
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Is this supposed to be negative?

When you are on an island "your words" and you are a very good stallion and there isn't much competition on that island it bloats your success level, especially when your type never come east(why would they?)

You really are the spin dr .. Unusal Heats run in there own backyard against other vermin stallion offspring racking up a bunch of success and you vault him to TREMENDOUS.. Do you really think his type would do nearly as well in open competition? WHOOPS they arent fast enough.. How come Shiek mo hasn't grabbed a superior young phenom turfer or IEAH , lael etc..

Why did Lael buy My Princess Jess after a 76k overnight stake win for reportedly 7 figs.. Where are the examples of major racing concerns spending huge money for such early talented winners?. Every year we see people spending millions for lightly raced huge potential stock.. You know like Dutrows two colts this year Big Brown (a boundary noless) the Golphins from last year.. Where are all these UH's? you know the dynamic Peace Rules(jule) types or War Emblem types or the Lido Palace from last year.. geez I just don't recall this TREMENDOUS stallion producing anything that has ignited someone to step out.. Mind you pedigree is NOT the issue as the horses I listed are D Funnybone types which are long on potential and short on page.

DrugS when you get a minute get the yearling stats and 2 year old in training sales figs posted... I would imagine this stallion has to be American racings best kept secret!!

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DrugS when you get a minute get the yearling stats and 2 year old in training sales figs posted... I would imagine this stallion has to be American racings best kept secret!!


Unusual Heat actually sold for 250K at Barrett's March 2yo sale.

I don't know what's oddest...

A.) That a horse bought at a 2yo sale in So Cal would go Europe to So Cal.

B.) The dam was bred in Denmark (I can't locate it on a map and I didn't even know they run horses there)

C.) The horse was claimed - was vanned off while winning a claiming race less than 3 weeks later - and eventually became a Cannon Shell adored stallion.

D.) This picture :
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Old 10-14-2009, 11:16 AM
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Unusual Heat actually sold for 250K at Barrett's March 2yo sale.

I don't know what's oddest...

A.) That a horse bought at a 2yo sale in So Cal would go Europe to So Cal.

B.) The dam was bred in Denmark (I can't locate it on a map and I didn't even know they run horses there)

C.) The horse was claimed - was vanned off while winning a claiming race less than 3 weeks later - and eventually became a Cannon Shell adored stallion.

D.) This picture :
These two gals have very famous fathers.. On the right is Crusher Blackwell's daughter on the left is Haystack calhouns youngest daughter. The vertically challenged gentleman with the big smile on his face (who wouldn't be) is Scav the day before his Bar Mitzvah, his mom did get him a nice hair cut and shave before his bigger day..
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