Who Is Horse Of The Year?

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by CSC

P.S Just a clarification, this is less about winning the Classic than in which the way she did it, losing a pace threat 1 min before the race, coming from dead last with a less then spectacular start, and closing into an average pace against the best surface compromised males in training and winning with much left in reserve.

Fixed that for you.

Seriously, man, why can't you just admit that you're anti-Rachel Alexandra? I know you keep saying that you said she was deserving of an Eclipse for horse of the year before Saturday, but I can't quite seem to find that post. You've been trying to find somebody - anybody - to take the award from her for three months now, and while you've finally found a horse with credentials good enough to potentially do it, the actual horse in question has nothing to do with your argument. I'd bet even money that we'd be seeing the same argument from you if Gio Ponti had won on Saturday instead of Zenyatta.

[TouchOfGrey]

The thing is... its is easy to point out the Classic as Zenyatta's "defining race" because the rest of her races were so average.

The Woodward was NOT Rachels only "defining race"

The KY Oaks was a "defining race" for sure

The Preakness was DEFINATELY a "defining race"

The Haskell was IMO, her most "defining race"

And her awesome Woodward was also a "defining race"

I'm sure you could also throw in her record setting Mother Goose as a "defining race" also.

[slotdirt]

I'm waiting for CSC's pimpage of Careless Jewel for the 3YO filly award to begin.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Fixed that for you.

Seriously, man, why can't you just admit that you're anti-Rachel Alexandra? I know you keep saying that you said she was deserving of an Eclipse for horse of the year before Saturday, but I can't quite seem to find that post. You've been trying to find somebody - anybody - to take the award from her for three months now, and while you've finally found a horse with credentials good enough to potentially do it, the actual horse in question has nothing to do with your argument. I'd bet even money that we'd be seeing the same argument from you if Gio Ponti had won on Saturday instead of Zenyatta.

There are 53 people thus far that also believe Zenyatta has earned HOY so I am hardly alone here, frankly I don't care what people believe, I know am being truthful, I can wake up every morning and stare in the mirror. Again if one stands against RA for HOY, they must be a hater or have some hidden motive. This is getting way too old...

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by CSC

There are 53 people thus far that also believe Zenyatta has earned HOY so I am hardly alone here, frankly I don't care what people believe, I know am being truthful, I can wake up every morning and stare in the mirror. Again if one stands against RA for HOY, they must be a hater or have some hidden motive. This is getting way too old...

Just you, actually. Nobody else has the anti-Rachel Alexandra track record that you've got going for you.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

There are 53 people thus far that also believe Zenyatta has earned HOY so I am hardly alone here, frankly I don't care what people believe, I know am being truthful, I can wake up every morning and stare in the mirror. Again if one stands against RA for HOY, they must be a hater or have some hidden motive. This is getting way too old...

No, only the people who have been acting like haters for months for no good reason. Those people are haters, not everyone who thinks Zenyatta should get it. The hidden motive, or at least the most apparent hidden motive...is being a hater.

Important difference.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by CSC

There are 53 people thus far that also believe Zenyatta has earned HOY so I am hardly alone here, frankly I don't care what people believe, I know am being truthful, I can wake up every morning and stare in the mirror. Again if one stands against RA for HOY, they must be a hater or have some hidden motive. This is getting way too old...

Do you know how easy it is to make up another account and vote multiple times? I call for all Zenyatta voters to own up and let us know who you are. Or Steve can go in and take a look and see how many people voted yet have no posts on the board.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Just you, actually. Nobody else has the anti-Rachel Alexandra track record that you've got going for you.

Gimme a break, you would advocate pro-censorship. I dare anyone to find one post of mine that ever said Rachel was not a good horse.

Just 1, until then just zip the inquisition like convo.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I legitimately can't believe that there are 53 human beings who regularly visit derbytrail.com who think Zenyatta is more deserving of horse of the year honors than Rachel Alexandra.

It would be a travesty, yes a travesty, if Rachel didn't get it.

[goodcopy]

Zennatta Step up and race against the best in the world!
She beat grd.1 or grp.1 horses from 6 or 7 country's!
She's undeafeated and 14 for 14!
Rachel had the chance to run against the boy's in the derby and chose the Oaks,She didn't run in the travers and no matter the surfase she chose not to run at the Breeders cup!

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by goodcopy

Zennatta Step up and race against the best in the world!
She beat grd.1 or grp.1 horses from 6 or 7 country's!
She's undeafeated and 14 for 14!
Rachel had the chance to run against the boy's in the derby and chose the Oaks,She didn't run in the travers and no matter the surfase she chose not to run at the Breeders cup!

Didnt somebody make this same idiotic comment yesterday?? Can we say TROLL!!!

[Sightseek]

6 or 7 countries?

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I actually think the scales tip at that point towards Zenyatta. All she needed to do in hindsight was one more 'outside the box' thing.

Agreed. The Woodward was the race for her. The way the race shaped up, she had a legit shot at running down Rachel.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Do you know how easy it is to make up another account and vote multiple times? I call for all Zenyatta voters to own up and let us know who you are. Or Steve can go in and take a look and see how many people voted yet have no posts on the board.

I voted for Zenyatta and wonder how many people voted against her just because they hate poly. The Classic was open to Rachel and no doubt was a far tougher field than the Woodward. Seeing Zen wait for Twice Over to clear and then going outside to catch Gio does it for me. That said I'd fully support co-HOY's.

[randallscott35]

Ghosts in here padding the Zenyatta stats no doubt.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

It would be a travesty, yes a travesty, if Rachel didn't get it.

a travesty, a sham, a mockery....it's a traveshamockery!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by goodcopy

Zennatta Step up and race against the best in the world!
She beat grd.1 or grp.1 horses from 6 or 7 country's!
She's undeafeated and 14 for 14!
Rachel had the chance to run against the boy's in the derby and chose the Oaks,She didn't run in the travers and no matter the surfase she chose not to run at the Breeders cup!

lol
she ran vs colts three different times. but she still gets grief for what she didn't do. hilarious.

[slotdirt]

I've been looking through a few of CSC's older posts on this subject, and there are certainly some doozies. His tune has certainly changed since this one from 9/24/09:

I brought this up last month, Summer Bird is the only horse that could knock off RA for HOY, though admittidely it is remote with voters most likely swooning at her this yr. If he can win the JCGC convincingly, and then win the BC convincingly he may sway some votes away from her, in essence it's not enough that he wins these 2 races but do so in an Arazi like fashion.

Zenyatta has zero chance at HOY with her 09 campaign.

Not really illustrative of the anti-Rachel Alexandra bias, but it's telling that six weeks ago, Zenyatta had "zero chance" and now she's his rock-solid choice for horse of the year.

This thread is also a fun one. You can substitute Zenyatta for Summer Bird in nearly every case and it's relatively the same argument:

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...r+bird+trainer

On a complete side note, did anybody notice Jerry Bailey use the word "crossfire" in describing Mastercraftsman's awful move down the stretch on Saturday?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
she ran vs colts three different times. but she still gets grief for what she didn't do. hilarious.

its funny that people are saying running in the Woodward instead of the Travers is a knock on Rachel. I mean.. she had already kicked the 3yo colts butts in the Preakness and Haskell.. I guess two times isnt enough? Had to chicken out and take on open company!

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

its funny that people are saying running in the Woodward instead of the Travers in a knock on Rachel. I mean.. she had already kicked the 3yo colts butts in the Preakness and Haskell.. I guess two times isnt enough? Had to chicken out and take on open company!

This was the crux of Jerry Bailey's argument about seven seconds after the Classic on Saturday. Zenyatta is clearly the "establishment" candidate in that regard.