U.S Intelligence a real oxymorn w/ this Nigerian

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

The Obama Administration failed. He's more worried about being on camera rather than making sure the lines of communication between agencies are open.

You can't blame this one on Bush.

I tend to stay away from the political threads. I read a lot of them but it's a horsie board so I just don't like getting into it.

This though... this is one of the funniest God damned posts evah!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

So, you're saying that Obama should change his policy? Stop pursuit? That the United States should not pursue terrorists that are targeting us? Al Quaeda? We should ignore them? Run? Hide? Be scared of them? Let them be?

Obama's reality is aggressive, specific targeting of those that wish to do us harm. His reality is dead Al Quaeda terrorists since he took office. Good for our side.

yeah, yeah, that's exactly what i meant.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, yeah, that's exactly what i meant.

dont bother..she is at the bottom of the drain pan..her stand is allways obama the great bush sucks..she is clueless as to what really happens in
u.s intel .. guess o.b missed the ones that just killed 100 at a soccer match..they gave those guys milk and cookies wile they got the exit interview
at gitmo..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's see.

I paid attention to these news stories when they happened. I recalled them. So I said: "Obama has gotten more terrorists in the past 12 months than Bush did in the last five years."

You said: "That's preposterous".

So I listed seven terrorists - two of whom are pretty damn important - Obama has had taken out in the US, Somalia (the most feared terrorist there), and Pakistan in the past year.

So, your turn. List the countless terrorists Bush has taken out in the last five years of his administration.

BTW - listing the specific examples I am talking about - that's called "proof" and "evidence" - exactly makes my point.

Ok. How about the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees? You know like 300 of them? What you are claiming is borderline retarded. That more terrorists were captured or killed in Iraq and Afganistan over the last 7 years than the last year is pretty much indisputable except to you. Your "evidence" is a few googled stories. How this proves anything is unclear to me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

What particular, "every events then blame Bush" are you talking about? "all these incidents" - please, tell the specific incidents you are referring to, show us where this administration came out that the people in question were loners? Or blamed Bush for them?

Because the killing and capture of terrorists I listed doesn't fall into the parameters of your assertions in the least. Neither does anything I've seen this administration do to date. So you'll have to be specific and point it out.

The Obama administration is doing exactly what was promised regarding changing the Bush strategy (was there one?) of pursuing terrorists, and doing it aggressively and with results. They are targeting specifically Al Quaeda - and doing what is needed: getting out of the quagmire of Iraq (why are we there again?), increasing pursuit of specific Al Quaeda where they are, in Afghanistan & Pakistan (using unmanned drones and manned missions), Somalia, and keeping an eye on Yemen.

He's already had better results than Bush has in the past five years. You, too, are free to show that my assertion is wrong with some facts.

BTW, Dick Cheney is a cold-blooded liar, a torturer, and showed no respect for our Constitution.

Do you have some high level security clearance? If you don't your assertions are complete fabrications. Why we have to "prove" your made up stories are false is ridiclous. You should provide some real evidence that backs your claims, not just a few links to a couple of news stories about drones killing some guy in Pakistan. If your assertions were true than it should be easy to prove. I'm sure the WH would love to be bragging about all these victories in the War on terror yet they seem to be pretty quiet except defending themselves from the recent security screwups. You used to at least provide flawed or misleading data (or WH press releases) as evidence. now you just throw **** against the wall and dare us to disagree.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

So, you're saying that Obama should change his policy? Stop pursuit? That the United States should not pursue terrorists that are targeting us? Al Quaeda? We should ignore them? Run? Hide? Be scared of them? Let them be?

Obama's reality is aggressive, specific targeting of those that wish to do us harm. His reality is dead Al Quaeda terrorists since he took office. Good for our side.

What in the world are you talking about? If you read those links and came to the conclusion that you did means you are either drunk or didn't understand what was stated. I mean you arent even in the same ballpark of what they were saying. If you didnt read the links then perhaps you should, to at least form a serious reply because your current one comes out of left field (pardon the pun)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense. There's been plenty of action, on several fronts. Obama took out the biggest, most feared Al Quaeda guy in Somalia. Pretending otherwise doesn't make the reality go away.

What did he do? Hit him over the head repeatedly with the bully pulpit?

I didnt know Obama was personally knocking guys off. Wow. Didn't think he had it in him...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

dont bother..she is at the bottom of the drain pan..her stand is allways obama the great bush sucks..she is clueless as to what really happens in
u.s intel .. guess o.b missed the ones that just killed 100 at a soccer match..they gave those guys milk and cookies wile they got the exit interview
at gitmo..

Your vague personal insults are great, but it's hard to top, "Obama is the antichrist" as your most intelligent contribution to date.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok. How about the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees? You know like 300 of them? What you are claiming is borderline retarded. That more terrorists were captured or killed in Iraq and Afganistan over the last 7 years than the last year is pretty much indisputable except to you. Your "evidence" is a few googled stories. How this proves anything is unclear to me.

I'm talking about "what has Bush done for us lately" - like in his last five years in office? What Al Quaeda has he taken down? Where? Bush was busy doing next to nothing in Iraq (blowing up civilians doesn't count) and finally made tentative inroads into Afghanistan. Great, Al Quaeda has long moved on into Yemen, Pakistan, Africa, etc.

If it's so indisputable, it should be easy for you to show. Rather than calling my claim borderline retarded.

Obama has gotten aggressive in specifically targeting AQ terrorists, in multiple countries, with very good success.

Ignoring it or saying different doesn't make it go away.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you have some high level security clearance? If you don't your assertions are complete fabrications..

LOL. No, Chuck, I am talking about exactly what I posted, Obama's public record of success going after Al Quaeda in multiple countries, and domestic terrorists. He's done a good job for just his first year.

What did he do? Hit him over the head repeatedly with the bully pulpit?

I didnt know Obama was personally knocking guys off. Wow. Didn't think he had it in him...

Yeah, our guys are just in Yemen, Africa, Pakistan on their own, not under any orders from the current President of the United States to seek out certain AQ terrorists and kill them.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ok. How about the vast majority of Guantanamo detainees? You know like 300 of them? What you are claiming is borderline retarded. That more terrorists were captured or killed in Iraq and Afganistan over the last 7 years than the last year is pretty much indisputable except to you. Your "evidence" is a few googled stories. How this proves anything is unclear to me.

Oh, yeah ... what do you think about this? And the relationship of some of these men to the underwear bomber?

Why Did the Bush Administration Send Hardcore Terrorists Back to Al-Qaida?

One of the most troubling aspects of the recent explosion of activity by Al-Qaida in Yemen (otherwise known as "Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula") is the role being played by Saudi nationals who are former detainees in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

At least eleven former Saudi Gitmo prisoners who were sent back home by the Bush administration between 2003-2007 have promptly rejoined Al-Qaida in Yemen -- including individuals who made no secret of their intentions upon being released.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

Your vague personal insults are great, but it's hard to top, "Obama is the antichrist" as your most intelligent contribution to date.

and you would know intelligent how?..keep thinking that obama is more than a slick talking black lawyer from chicago. hes not... he does not have the brains too even run a mcdonalds let alone a country..tards like you elected
him.. now we all will have to suffer..but in 3 years hes gone..till then
keep swinging on his nutz..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

and you would know intelligent how?..keep thinking that obama is more than a slick talking black lawyer from chicago. hes not... he does not have the brains too even run a mcdonalds let alone a country..tards like you elected
him.. now we all will have to suffer..but in 3 years hes gone..till then
keep swinging on his nutz..

Really don't like that "black" part, do ya?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm talking about "what has Bush done for us lately" - like in his last five years in office? What Al Quaeda has he taken down? Where? Bush was busy doing next to nothing in Iraq (blowing up civilians doesn't count) and finally made tentative inroads into Afghanistan. Great, Al Quaeda has long moved on into Yemen, Pakistan, Africa, etc.

If it's so indisputable, it should be easy for you to show. Rather than calling my claim borderline retarded.

Obama has gotten aggressive in specifically targeting AQ terrorists, in multiple countries, with very good success.

Ignoring it or saying different doesn't make it go away.

Al-Qaeda moved into Yemen, Pakistan and Africa was the fault of Bush or happened in his last 5 years? If you think this is true then there is no use debating the subject with you as you obviously don't have even a cursory grasp of the situation.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL. No, Chuck, I am talking about exactly what I posted, Obama's public record of success going after Al Quaeda in multiple countries, and domestic terrorists. He's done a good job for just his first year.



Yeah, our guys are just in Yemen, Africa, Pakistan on their own, not under any orders from the current President of the United States to seek out certain AQ terrorists and kill them.

What makes you believe that Obama has done such a bangup job? What exactly has changed and how would you really know anyway?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Al-Qaeda moved into Yemen, Pakistan and Africa was the fault of Bush or happened in his last 5 years? If you think this is true then there is no use debating the subject with you as you obviously don't have even a cursory grasp of the situation.

You wasted an insult. No, it's not Bush's fault at all that Al Qaeda moved into Yemen, Pakistan and Africa. But Bush didn't pursue them aggressively there, Obama is.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh, yeah ... what do you think about this? And the relationship of some of these men to the underwear bomber?

Give me a break. You are just trying to steer the topic off of your statement. No one said that Bush and co had a perfect record. Truthfull what they should have done was get all the info they could out of the detainees and sent them home.


In caskets.

Despite what you and the rest of the bleeding hearts think, we still have lots of bad guys trying to do harm to us. And they dont care if you are sympathetic towards them or a hawk. The idea that Obama has had any impact in quelling the tide of hatred against us in the Middle East is foolish. It is too bad that some innocent people get pulled into the fray. But me and a whole lot of Americans would rather it be their innocent people and not ours.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Really don't like that "black" part, do ya?

He is black isn't he? Or at least half black.

[Riot]

What makes you believe that Obama has done such a bangup job?

As I said, things like aggressively pursuing and taking out very important AQ in Somalia, Pakistan, etc.

What exactly has changed and how would you really know anyway?

Just going by what's public knowledge. Where Bush pursed AQ and how, versus where Obama is pursuing AQ, and how.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You wasted an insult. No, it's not Bush's fault at all that Al Qaeda moved into Yemen, Pakistan and Africa. But Bush didn't pursue them aggressively there, Obama is.

Al-Queda has been in these places long before Bush took office. Perhaps you are thinking that we are making an impact in these regions. I don't have the faintest idea why.