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[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by The Bid

You gotta start Marty. That's a mistake

caps used to have a good goalie. Pete peters in 80s. Best offensive player u had prior to ovechkin probably cicarelli. My fav cap of all time. Dale hunter.

just heard on espn radio, they are benching MB!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Bid

You gotta start Marty. That's a mistake

caps used to have a good goalie. Pete peters in 80s. Best offensive player u had prior to ovechkin probably cicarelli. My fav cap of all time. Dale hunter.

yeah, i remember pete peters. but my favorite caps goalie ever is olaf kolzig. dino was a fan fave as well, never cared much for hunter. best caps player tho for years-rod langway. mike gartner was awesome as well-they retired his number, something i don't see happening with dino. i think everyone's favorite tho was peter bondra. i've seen him in the stands at a few games this year.
but ovechkin is simply amazing. if i had to use one word to describe him, it would be 'fearless'. that hit on jagr (former cap for a bit, would love to see him come back to the nhl-and bring federov with him!) the other day was incredible. guys have said jagr is and has been the hardest guy to get off a puck-alex made it look easy.
his goal (and the play he made to get the scoring opporunity) against montreal last year was amazing-but 'the goal' he got vs phoenix-you have to see it to believe it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

just heard on espn radio, they are benching MB!

maybe just for tonite? i can see giving him a breather vs germany. if it's a true benching, they're making a mistake similar to russia pulling their goalie after 1 pd vs the miraculous u.s. kids.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

just heard on espn radio, they are benching MB!

My German co-worker assures me that Canada could be Germany with me in the net.

The bigger issue is, who is in goal for their next game?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

My German co-worker assures me that Canada could be Germany with me in the net.

The bigger issue is, who is in goal for their next game?

yeah, germany should be a pushover...but then again, canada did go to a shootout the other day vs a pushover. this game matters, i don't agree with their decision at all. it could be a good game for brodeur to get some nice saves and build some confidence. now, they've just embarrassed him and probably pissed him off.

[The Bid]

The Swiss played 2 really good games against Canada and USA. They are really improving and much better than the Germans

I liked bondra and langway both. Hatcher and those guys were fun to watch. I think Dino number would be retired w Minnesota, now Dallas? He deserves it retired somewhere.

I always liked Pete peters. Olie the goalie wa good for a short stretch and had that incredible playoff run

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Danzig

maybe just for tonite? i can see giving him a breather vs germany. if it's a true benching, they're making a mistake similar to russia pulling their goalie after 1 pd vs the miraculous u.s. kids.

I really think you're going a bit overboard.

You can't compare Roberto Luongo vs Vladimir Myshkin. I personally don't like the move, but it's not because Luongo is not a good goalie. I would just take my chances with the first ballot hall of famer, who is still playing at a very high level (but that doesn't mean I'm not enjoying it).

You would think that they will thrash Germany and then it will become even tougher to pull Luongo in favor of going back to Marty. Unless he plays poorly, he's his show to lose.

[-BT-]

be shocked if marty hasn't played his last olympic game. Hurt feelings or not, this team needs to medal


** more on the capitals of old later

-bt-

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

The bigger issue is, who is in goal for their next game?

I read this morning that Babcock said the goalie change is for the rest of the Olympics (sorry no link ). He said if he had to make a change now in single elimination it would probably be to late.

[The Bid]

Babcock will be watching the playoffs this year. He's really not a top tier coach at all. W/ detroits firepower there's noway those guys are outside looking in. Also noway you bench best goalie to ever live in favor of loungo. He's a good goalie but he's no broduer that's for damn sure

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I really think you're going a bit overboard.

You can't compare Roberto Luongo vs Vladimir Myshkin. I personally don't like the move, but it's not because Luongo is not a good goalie. I would just take my chances with the first ballot hall of famer, who is still playing at a very high level (but that doesn't mean I'm not enjoying it).

You would think that they will thrash Germany and then it will become even tougher to pull Luongo in favor of going back to Marty. Unless he plays poorly, he's his show to lose.

i'm not saying it's similar based on the talent of the goalies who were pulled then and now, and on who they're replacing. i'm saying it could have similar results and is a knee jerk reaction, just like that was back then. the russian coach was mad, and acted in anger. luongo obviously is skilled, else they wouldn't have chosen him for the team.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm not saying it's similar based on the talent of the goalies who were pulled then and now, and on who they're replacing. i'm saying it could have similar results and is a knee jerk reaction, just like that was back then. the russian coach was mad, and acted in anger. luongo obviously is skilled, else they wouldn't have chosen him for the team.

But I really don't think as this of a knee jerk reaction. Clearly the move by Viktor Tikhonov in 1980, was a hot headed knee jerk reaction. He underestimated the US (why shouldn't he) and clearly thought they had no chance of winning reguardless who was between the pipes.
This is a case of them replacing a goalie that has been playing below his usual level. With an very (actually 2) capeable backups on the roster, they feel like this is the time for a switch. But reguardless anything less than a gold medal performance will be second guessed. (should they have stayed with Marty? or Why didn't they put Luongo in).

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

But I really don't think as this of a knee jerk reaction. Clearly the move by Viktor Tikhonov in 1980, was a hot headed knee jerk reaction. He underestimated the US (why shouldn't he) and clearly thought they had no chance of winning reguardless who was between the pipes.
This is a case of them replacing a goalie that has been playing below his usual level. With an very (actually 2) capeable backups on the roster, they feel like this is the time for a switch. But reguardless anything less than a gold medal performance will be second guessed. (should they have stayed with Marty? or Why didn't they put Luongo in).

EXACTLY!!!!!


NJ aint winning no 2-1 games this year, Marty's GAA is up, he's been shaky ever since game 7 last year, his puckhandling skills got him into trouble last game and i think its the right move if canada wants to continue playing in this tourney. HOF or the greatest goalie of all time, a change in net need to be made IMO

as far as the caps go, Dale Hunter was my all time favorite cap. and goalies, who can forget jim carey, bill ranford, hated pete peeters, mike liut, but i think my favorite was Don Beaupre. some of the all time cap greats, gartner, ridley, miller, bonzi, stevens, pivonko, gustafsson, galley, as you can see i'm a huge caps fan

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by -BT-

EXACTLY!!!!!


NJ aint winning no 2-1 games this year, Marty's GAA is up, he's been shaky ever since game 7 last year, his puckhandling skills got him into trouble last game and i think its the right move if canada wants to continue playing in this tourney. HOF or the greatest goalie of all time, a change in net need to be made IMO

as far as the caps go, Dale Hunter was my all time favorite cap. and goalies, who can forget jim carey, bill ranford, hated pete peeters, mike liut, but i think my favorite was Don Beaupre. some of the all time cap greats, gartner, ridley, miller, bonzi, stevens, pivonko, gustafsson, galley, as you can see i'm a huge caps fan

No love for Rick Tabaracci?

[Heels1989]

Or Jim Hrivnak?

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Babcock will be watching the playoffs this year. He's really not a top tier coach at all. W/ detroits firepower there's noway those guys are outside looking in. Also noway you bench best goalie to ever live in favor of loungo. He's a good goalie but he's no broduer that's for damn sure

ok the technical explanation i heard.
MB is a stand up goalie. all the goals he's given up have been along the ice, because the defense is allowing to much traffic in front of him.
luongo is a butterfly goalie so he handles the low shots better and the traffic will bother him less.

now in my mind, it stands to reason opponents will start to shoot high?
it sounds to me like they need to play better defense and clear the traffic from the crease?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

But I really don't think as this of a knee jerk reaction. Clearly the move by Viktor Tikhonov in 1980, was a hot headed knee jerk reaction. He underestimated the US (why shouldn't he) and clearly thought they had no chance of winning reguardless who was between the pipes.
This is a case of them replacing a goalie that has been playing below his usual level. With an very (actually 2) capeable backups on the roster, they feel like this is the time for a switch. But reguardless anything less than a gold medal performance will be second guessed. (should they have stayed with Marty? or Why didn't they put Luongo in).

very true!
i just think if you have brodeur, you use him.


but i do think it's a reaction. you can't change up lines, can't fire the coach. seems marty is getting the blame for the loss. but, i don't care much for MB (due to his off ice shenanigans) so i don't feel too bad for him.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by -BT-

EXACTLY!!!!!


NJ aint winning no 2-1 games this year, Marty's GAA is up, he's been shaky ever since game 7 last year, his puckhandling skills got him into trouble last game and i think its the right move if canada wants to continue playing in this tourney. HOF or the greatest goalie of all time, a change in net need to be made IMO

as far as the caps go, Dale Hunter was my all time favorite cap. and goalies, who can forget jim carey, bill ranford, hated pete peeters, mike liut, but i think my favorite was Don Beaupre. some of the all time cap greats, gartner, ridley, miller, bonzi, stevens, pivonko, gustafsson, galley, as you can see i'm a huge caps fan

did you see that the caps selected bengt gustaffsons boy in the draft last fall? hard to believe he's old enough to have a son old enough to play!! i remember michael pivonka...beaupre. hell, i still call it the cap center-and it's not even the same place anymore, let alone called the cap center.

so nice to have others who remember those guys. no one i know down here does. seems the only person i can really talk hockey with about back then is my dad. remember clint malarchuk? he got traded away and then had that ghastly accident on the ice. ugh

[brianwspencer]

Don Beaupre was the **** in NHL '94.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Don Beaupre was the **** in NHL '94.

I will take Teemu Selanne from NHL '92 over any of them. He was unstoppable on that game