Will Less Stud Income Help Keep Horses Racing

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

My crime is I made more money at Penn National last year [$3.1 million] than any one owner made from any other track. It’s a tiny little racetrack in the middle of nowhere. So it was real simple. They wanted me out because they wanted to cut up that $3.1 million pie themselves.’’

he earned $3.1 in purses. He didnt make 3.1 million. I'm sure that isnt a net figure after he paid the cut to the jocks either. How many horses did it take to get that 3 million? were they free? He brags about the 31 he gave away for a dollar. Think he made on them? How many were claimed away at a price higher than he claimed them for 10%? How much do you think it costs to feed and bed 200 horses ? Think the farm he owned was given to him? Think the riders galloped for free? Think Adamo and Norman and that delahousse guy were volunteers? think the vans didnt cost money? How much you think he spent in gas to have 2000 runners last year? Think the guys driving the horse vans volunteered? Think his work comp insurance isnt expensive? You know how much the meds he gives cost even at wholesale prices?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Bonds was great too. And then he got better.

lots of guys hit in single A

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Frankel was a HoF horseman and a HoF cheat.. When you are both its an excellent recipe for success..

Ness bought a few 2 year olds training..the kid is magic and will be one of the top 5 trainers in the country in 5 years

I will take your action on that

[The Indomitable DrugS]

This thread is another in a series of epic - Sunday Silence and Easy Goer like duels between one guy who made his fortune selling Austin 3:16 T-shirts to WWF fans - and another guy who was shrewd enough to tell the Ramsey's to GFY.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

he earned $3.1 in purses. He didnt make 3.1 million. I'm sure that isnt a net figure after he paid the cut to the jocks either. How many horses did it take to get that 3 million? were they free? He brags about the 31 he gave away for a dollar. Think he made on them? How many were claimed away at a price higher than he claimed them for 10%? How much do you think it costs to feed and bed 200 horses ? Think the farm he owned was given to him? Think the riders galloped for free? Think Adamo and Norman and that delahousse guy were volunteers? think the vans didnt cost money? How much you think he spent in gas to have 2000 runners last year? Think the guys driving the horse vans volunteered? Think his work comp insurance isnt expensive? You know how much the meds he gives cost even at wholesale prices?

100 horses at 7k each is 700k...let's say they have resale at 560k or 80% of the purchase price mind you some sold for 15k and some for a buck.. 2.5mil pays a lot of has been trainers hay and shock wave machines.. Gill was doing this to earn. Claim Rover Boy at Penn Nat on 3/10 for 5k off trombetta and see if you don't make money in 3 months?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by freddymo

100 horses at 7k each is 700k...let's say they have resale at 560k or 80% of the purchase price mind you some sold for 15k and some for a buck.. 2.5mil pays a lot of has been trainers hay and shock wave machines.. Gill was doing this to earn. Claim Rover Boy at Penn Nat on 3/10 for 5k off trombetta and see if you don't make money in 3 months?

Ooooo, a new DT addition?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Ooooo, a new DT addition?

You will have to win a shake and chuck will have to vet the shiiit out of the horse BUT you can not lose unless the horse breaksdown PERIOD

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

100 horses at 7k each is 700k...let's say they have resale at 560k or 80% of the purchase price mind you some sold for 15k and some for a buck.. 2.5mil pays a lot of has been trainers hay and shock wave machines.. Gill was doing this to earn. Claim Rover Boy at Penn Nat on 3/10 for 5k off trombetta and see if you don't make money in 3 months?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Ooooo, a new DT addition?

Its a horse that can run mig 70 BSF when you only need to run mif 60's to win 15k pots.. Its not if you are going to earn just when the colt needs to be farming potatoes in Lancaster County

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

21k a week for training another 10k a week vetting is 1.5 mil a year

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

21k a week for training another 10k a week vetting is 1.5 mil a year

It is hard to believe you actually own horses and yet have no idea that anyone that has over 2000 starters in a single year will pay far in excess for $3 million to keep them. Not even taking into consideration that that same person owns a large training facility that would be a huge expense in itself.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

21k a week for training another 10k a week vetting is 1.5 mil a year

I have 23 horses in training. My payroll is around $4500 a week right now. My employees get industry standard pay.

He made 2000 starts last year. Your idea that he had 100 horses is about 50% shy. He treats every horse with EPM meds. That alone for 200 horses is 20k a month if he gets a huge bulk discount.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Its a horse that can run mig 70 BSF when you only need to run mif 60's to win 15k pots.. Its not if you are going to earn just when the colt needs to be farming potatoes in Lancaster County

You're getting closer - the "d" is just to the left

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is hard to believe you actually own horses and yet have no idea that anyone that has over 2000 starters in a single year will pay far in excess for $3 million to keep them. Not even taking into consideration that that same person owns a large training facility that would be a huge expense in itself.

where did Mr lost my ass in racing 3 other times get all this money from to lose AGAIN.. Maybe it was the raging NE mortgage market in 08 and 09? Especially after his bath is 05,06 and 7? You think people just love cutting checks for 40 k a week to race 5 claimers that fall?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

You're getting closer - the "d" is just to the left

I think you got the message if you want I can email you a paragraph were only the first and lasr letter of the word is in the correct sequence and your brain will unscramble the words effortlessly and a paragraph without 1 single properly spelled word will read as though it was proof read by the senior editor of the NY TIMES

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

where did Mr lost my ass in racing 3 other times get all this money from to lose AGAIN.. Maybe it was the raging NE mortgage market in 08 and 09? Especially after his bath is 05,06 and 7? You think people just love cutting checks for 40 k a week to race 5 claimers that fall?

Let me ask you a question. If he is making so much money why doesnt anyone else do it? I mean if you can win tons of races, get an eclipse award and make money how come no one else does it?

I have no idea how much he makes in his mortgage business but his horse racing operation cant make money. Unless he can turn water into wine...or hay.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Bloodhorse had an interesting article on how the economic downturn might increase the chance for a Triple Crown winner:

Good Chance for a Triple Crown in 2013


I just hope he's a gelding. Was it Affirmed's trainer or owner who said they wouldn't really know how good he was until he raced at 4? Ah, the 1970's...

Well, the real reason we'll have a triple crown winner in 2013 is because that will be the crop from which Indian Charlie's stud fee jumped way up to 75k.

Though, I was really thinking 2012 back around 2003.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Claim Rover Boy at Penn Nat on 3/10 for 5k off trombetta and see if you don't make money in 3 months?

He got soundly beat at even money by a horse Johnny Joe ran 2nd to in his prior start before running 2nd to the Wonder Pig on Saturday.

The table is set for the final leg of the winters greatest racing trilogy.

Wonder Pig VS Hawk Mountain III

If you can finally come out on top of that match-up ... maybe you should look into getting Starbucks to sponcer a match race between Wonder Pig and Robachino.