The former Gulf of Mexico

[Riot]

I was in favor of offshore drilling, certainly shallow-water drilling, but no more. Unbridled capitalism can't fix the decades of loss we are facing. Oil from the Valdez is still on the beaches, just under the surface, 21 years later. BP doesn't care about fixing the rest of the leak (not that they ever did in the first place), now that they are collecting good oil off the cap and earning money off that well.

You guys have to watch this video - divers going below the surface.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGX7k...layer_embedded

Can't wait for the expert opinion of Jet Skiers.

[joeydb]

Bottom line: We need the oil, and we will need it for quite some time. You can get rid of offshore oil drilling when you allow enough land based drilling to make up the difference (and more...the amount needed for continued growth). That is, assuming that a land-based supply actually exists.

You want the end of offshore drilling? Start by opening up ANWR and let's go at it. I'd prefer land based drilling for the simple reason that you'd never have a leak go 24 hours let alone 50 some days.

But all the same people screaming about the Gulf catastrophe -- which should never have happened -- also aren't willing to pay $10/gallon for gas.

Supply and demand, as usual, is analogous to the law of gravity in physics. It will be obeyed, period.

[Riot]

You post presumes a couple things: that the only choice of energy is oil (not true) and that the wells we have now will soon become insufficient (also not true).

[joeydb]

Oh, I am all for another source of energy, of course. The energy sources for mobile transportation are that much more difficult to implement. Windmills aren't going to do it -- not even for traditional uses. They will, if 100% successful, alleviate about 2% of our current gasoline and/or coal consumption.

Just making electric cars doesn't do it either. You've got to look at the whole system. The system includes everything from the generation of electricity (always from something else since we can't reliably collect and store lightening), to the manufacture, use, and disposal of the car. If you make a car run on electricity, and the electricity demand goes way up, as it will, and your power plant belches that much more soot and filth into the atmosphere, did you really save anything by allegedly "going green"?

Let's say we had the ideal source of energy today, in the quantities that we need. Everything's better -- cleaner, cheap, people buying cars want this new fuel because the cars actually perform better with more horsepower -- you get the idea. It will still take quite a while to get universally adopted as the car market is such where most people have to save a while to afford a new car, and cars, unlike computers for example, are normally not retrofitted with new hardware.

It's going to take time. The discovery of the really big thing needs to come first, and the government cannot do that by decree. The creativity of the freedom-loving individual, like another Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, Andrew Carnegie or equivalent is where it starts. Until then, we need to perfect the techniques for the extraction of oil to drive the probability of this kind of event to as close to zero as we can get it. But when push comes to shove, we are going to get that oil -- until oil itself is obsolete as a fuel.

Cars that run on Natural Gas. The liberals won't go for it though.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

You post presumes a couple things: that the only choice of energy is oil (not true) and that the wells we have now will soon become insufficient (also not true).

Do you know about some discovery that fuels autos that we havent heard of?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

I was in favor of offshore drilling, certainly shallow-water drilling, but no more. Unbridled capitalism can't fix the decades of loss we are facing. Oil from the Valdez is still on the beaches, just under the surface, 21 years later. BP doesn't care about fixing the rest of the leak (not that they ever did in the first place), now that they are collecting good oil off the cap and earning money off that well.

You guys have to watch this video - divers going below the surface.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGX7k...layer_embedded

'bp doesent care' ..thats fn stupid ..its 5,ooo feet down ..this post will forever garner you the title of 'the dumbest **** in the world

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

'bp doesent care' ..thats fn stupid ..its 5,ooo feet down ..this post will forever garner you the title of 'the dumbest **** in the world

No, it's not fn stupid, you moronic d**head. They make money on oil. They lose money on safety implementations (they are currently fighting safety standards - the same ones which lack of caused the gulf disaster - for their Canadian drilling ops). They lose money spending it on cleanup.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, it's not fn stupid, you moronic d**head. They make money on oil. They lose money on safety implementations (they are currently fighting safety standards - the same ones which lack of caused the gulf disaster - for their Canadian drilling ops). They lose money spending it on cleanup.

well i can see the gulf from my back yard. bp has hired every fishing boat in the area to work the boom lines.they have set up community claims centers all over the gulf from new orleans to key west. there were 30 clean up crews on the beach 1 day before the first blob of oil hit. they have stated they will pay claims for any loss of income..ie canceled bookings for rental homes ect.
it was an unfortunate mistake made on the platform. the high menthane pressure was not dealt with correctly. as i am sure you will come back on here and tell me diffrent. ill let it go.

also many oil rigs were damaged durring hurricane ivan and katrina..not
1 has had a problem like this .they have been fixed as much as possible.
think about this riot..how much do you think it costs too build one of these rigs.? and you really think they dont care?..the us coast gaurd , the epa,
osha, has had standerds for years that have made this kind of accident
a non issue. you dont know **** about what your saying. and i heard somthing
last night you will like ...this could have been stopped in 6 days by Halliburton
and obamas people wouldent even concider it. point your mouth twards your
boy obama..hes the one who does not care....this info came from the military......

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

well i can see the gulf from my back yard. bp has hired every fishing boat in the area to work the boom lines.they have set up community claims centers all over the gulf from new orleans to key west. there were 30 clean up crews on the beach 1 day before the first blob of oil hit. they have stated they will pay claims for any loss of income..ie canceled bookings for rental homes ect.
it was an unfortunate mistake made on the platform. the high mentane pressure was not dealt with correctly. as i am sure you will come back on here and tell me diffrent. ill let it go.

also many oil rigs were damaged durring hurricane ivan and katrina..not
1 has had a problem like this .they have been fixed as much as possible.
think about this riot..how much do you think it costs too build one of these rigs.? and you really think they dont care?..the us coast gaurd , the epa,
osha, has had standerds for years that have made this kind of accident
a non issue. you dont know **** about what your saying. and i heard somthing
last night you will like ...this could have been stopped in 6 days by Halliburton
and obamas people wouldent even concider it. point your mouth twards your
boy obama..hes the one who does not care....this info came from the military......

Have you heard anything about the 33 deep-water rigs that are shut down?

I have.

Seems like Soros the Hedge Fund Hog is looking to move a few of them down south.

It must be nice to have employees in high places.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

.how much do you think it costs too build one of these rigs.? and you really think they dont care?.

If BP cared (about the gulf), they wouldn't have spent, and currently are spending, so much time and effort and money fighting to have safety requirements waived or removed. BP wouldn't have disregarded the safe methods, supervisors having a fight over disregarding it, the night the rig blew and killed those men.

BP is a corporation. I expect them to think of their owners first. That is their responsibility. Our government through MM was responsible for not allowing our interests - as the owners of the property - to be disregarded. For not allowing BP to literally write their own safety inspections.

Let's see what comes out regarding the now famous meeting 100 days into oil man Bush's White House. Where Cheney met in secret with the oil companies. No minutes, no records. The whistleblowers are gonna fall from the skies.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Riot

If BP cared (about the gulf), they wouldn't have spent, and currently are spending, so much time and effort and money fighting to have safety requirements waived or removed. BP wouldn't have disregarded the safe methods, supervisors having a fight over disregarding it, the night the rig blew and killed those men.

BP is a corporation. I expect them to think of their owners first. That is their responsibility. Our government through MM was responsible for not allowing our interests - as the owners of the property - to be disregarded. For not allowing BP to literally write their own safety inspections.

Let's see what comes out regarding the now famous meeting 100 days into oil man Bush's White House. Where Cheney met in secret with the oil companies. No minutes, no records. The whistleblowers are gonna fall from the skies.

But..but..you aren't allowed to bring up Bush in this forum.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's see what comes out regarding the now famous meeting 100 days into oil man Bush's White House. Where Cheney met in secret with the oil companies. No minutes, no records. The whistleblowers are gonna fall from the skies.

I believe you maybe on to something here just the wrong suspect. Locally we are hearing the condo Rahm stayed in rent-free in DC for five years is owned by a guy (Greenburg) who along with James Carvell and another guy run a consulting/promo business (GCS I think) with BP as a customer. In fact these guy's came up with the whole "Greener, friendlier BP" with all the green logos etc. I don't see any crime in any of this yet but it does have that Chicago stink I'm so familiar with.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Riot

If BP cared (about the gulf), they wouldn't have spent, and currently are spending, so much time and effort and money fighting to have safety requirements waived or removed. BP wouldn't have disregarded the safe methods, supervisors having a fight over disregarding it, the night the rig blew and killed those men.

BP is a corporation. I expect them to think of their owners first. That is their responsibility. Our government through MM was responsible for not allowing our interests - as the owners of the property - to be disregarded. For not allowing BP to literally write their own safety inspections.

Let's see what comes out regarding the now famous meeting 100 days into oil man Bush's White House. Where Cheney met in secret with the oil companies. No minutes, no records. The whistleblowers are gonna fall from the skies.

your second award is on the way ..fine work..

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's see what comes out regarding the now famous meeting 100 days into oil man Bush's White House. Where Cheney met in secret with the oil companies. No minutes, no records. The whistleblowers are gonna fall from the skies.

Wouldn't it be more interesting to find the motives behind the signing of the Deep Water Royality Relief Act? You know the one that implemented a royalty-relief program that relieved eligible leases from paying royalties on defined amounts of deep-water petroleum production over Federal Outer Continental Shelf lands. When leases for wells deeper than 800 meters went from 39 wells to 171 wells. Then in the next three years saw 712, 1110 and 771 additional leases issued? C'mon that's going from 39 deep water leases to 2764 in four years. The fact that the Clinton/Gore administration, you know the 'green guys', were the ones that signed the Act would seemingly make it a must see comedy.