Crist: Zenyatta needs to earn title on track

[Indian Charlie]

BTW and ATS, the instant Homer called us all Zenyatta Haters, it became clear he's a Zenyattard, thus, despite his protests claiming otherwise, it's simply not possible to have a reasonable conversation with him.

To me, people like him are just completely unworthy of dealing with. I like to poke fun at CSC and Smooth Operator, because they, for the most part, are genuine in their position (as ridiculous as it is), but Homer is dishonest and disingenuous in his arguments.

Why bother?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by HomerS

What question is that?

Irrational posts about Zenyetta? Have another cigarette

When I point them out are you going to change your opinion?

Are you denying their existence?

Just another Palinite. Light up good for the lungs!

I'm denying their existence. I also don't smoke cigarettes, am not a Palinite and hate the Mets and Yankees.

So please point out an irrational post (or a hater post) in regards to Zenyatta. Instead of deflecting, prove your point.

[Indian Charlie]

Is HomerS a troll?

I think it's likely.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by HomerS

I said RA should be HOY

I am betting heavy against Zenyatta.

Who is being stupid?

You said RA should be HOY. Whoopdy ding dong. You said it after the fact.

You are betting heavy against Zenyatta? You are lying, or you are trolling.

Who is being stupid? Me for replying after what I just said. Da Hoss, ATS and BTW for wasting their time with you, and you, for being born.

[Dahoss]

Still waiting for an irrational post. Something tells me the request will continue to be ignored.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by HomerS

What question is that?

Irrational posts about Zenyetta? Have another cigarette

When I point them out are you going to change your opinion?

Are you denying their existence?

Just another Palinite. Light up good for the lungs!

It's good to see you out of the closet.

I quit smoking quite a while ago. You were probably posting under your other name then.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by HomerS

I am lying? Will you answer that?

Lying about what? Stop deflecting.

Please provide an example of what you were talking about. Should be easy I would think if it happens so much.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Lying about what? Stop deflecting.

Please provide an example of what you were talking about. Should be easy I would think if it happens so much.

He's a troll. It's not gonna happen.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Dahoss. This is a stupid post.

Someone implying if she wins the Classic its like super saver winning the Derby

I know you missed this post. Just like you missed all the others..

No, it's not. The Derby is the biggest race for three-year-olds, the Classic is the biggest race for elders. Try again.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

troll

Seriously tell me you are joking

Has anyone said Cat Thief deserved HOY off a Classic win?

Did anyone argue Giacomo was best three year old?

You're so stupid, it's unbelievable. What you're saying was exactly her point. That simply winning the Classic shouldn't be the hands down slam dunk qualification for Zenyatta winning HOY.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

The implication was she hadnt accomplished anything. And even if she did win the Classic that shouldnt mean HOY

"if Zenyatta deserves"...

And if you are saying that winning the Classic is not enough to win HOY you arent very bright

Why not make it clear though. If she wins Classic is she HOY?

Do like the name calling though

It's like talking to a really shoddily made brick wall.

If it's not the Classic that gets her HOY, what is it? Her breathtaking wins over Taptam, Rinterval and Switch?

I don't think she should be HOY if she wins the Classic. It's Horse of the Year, not Horse of the Race, and assuming she wins, other than the Classic, she's done nothing but narrowly beat tomato cans all season.

You still have no point, unfortunately. She'll take the trophy if she wins next Saturday. But 'one race shouldn't get her the award' isn't illogical or biased, sorry.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Okay we are getting somewhere.

Humor me. Lets say she wins the Classic. Which is something I think would shock us both.

Who should be HOY?

Super Saver

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Okay we are getting somewhere.

Humor me. Lets say she wins the Classic. Which is something I think would shock us both.

Who should be HOY?

I'd most likely give it to Quality Road or Blame. Each won and placed in multiple significant handicap races this year.

You still haven't shown me illogical or biased statements from "east coasters" that parallel the greatest horse/mare ever inanity.

And I've said all along that I wouldn't be shocked to see Zenyatta win the Classic. Flies in the face of my 'Zenyatta hater' label, but I don't try to figure that one out.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by HomerS

troll

Seriously tell me you are joking

Has anyone said Cat Thief deserved HOY off a Classic win?

Did anyone argue Giacomo was best three year old?

nope, which makes one wonder why zenyatta deserves it based on a classic win-her races this year to date don't deserve hoy contention.

again, like i said before, this thread began because shirreffs averred that zenyatta deserved hoy even without a classic win. it's debatable with a win, should she get it. but without? absolutely not. but i guess all that, as well as my analogy, went over your head.

[DaTruth]

Now comes word that Zenyatta is ambitious. Not ambitiously placed, mind you, but ambitious.

"Now, we have Zenyatta, an ambitious mare who will try to remain unbeaten in 20 races, running against the boys next Saturday in the Breeders’ Cup Classic at Churchill Downs."

http://therail.blogs.nytimes.com/201...ys-still-work/

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Actually you just made the case

By saying you would give HOY to someone other then Zenyetta should she win the Classic.

if QR an Blame are better they will beat her. Which I expect to happen. But if it doesnt ridiculous to argue they should win over her since we need to go by what actually happened on the track. You wouldnt by chance be an Easy Goer fan would you?

Once again: IT IS HORSE OF THE YEAR, NOT HORSE OF THE RACE. Zenyatta being better than Quality Road and Blame on one particular day should not negate their far superior campaigns the rest of the year. It would, but it shouldn't.

This ain't the NCAA Tournament, it's not single-elimination. It's more like the MVP, something Zenyatta most certainly hasn't been this season.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Then just do away with the Breeders Cup then. If the races are so meaningless.

If those horses are superior shouldnt they win easily?

Dont you see you have it set up so that you cant lose? Thats what I mean by east coast bias.

if she wins there is no backing down. Its still faint praise and no HOY. But if she loses I can only imagine the outcry.

Reminds me of the Easy Goer fans

Canard Alert!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by HomerS

Then just do away with the Breeders Cup then. If the races are so meaningless.

If those horses are superior shouldnt they win easily?

Dont you see you have it set up so that you cant lose? Thats what I mean by east coast bias.

if she wins there is no backing down. Its still faint praise and no HOY. But if she loses I can only imagine the outcry.

Reminds me of the Easy Goer fans

So wait, because Breeders' Cup winners aren't ironclad locks to win their division's award, the BC is meaningless? Just stop it.

I can't lose? What are you talking about? I don't think her campaign has been HOY worthy, Classic win or no. That's illogical and biased? It's realistic.

I think she's terrific, regardless of what happens next Saturday. I've said all along that her winning would make me sad, not because I don't want her to win, but because it would prove that she really could've been a total beast if they'd challenged her once in a while.

The award, as it's defined, should not be about who wins the Breeders' Cup. It should not even be about who the 'best' horse is. It should be about who accomplished the most throughout the year. No matter what way you try to spin it, regardless of what happens at Churchill, that isn't Zenyatta in 2010.

[Danzig]

boy, it's either one extreme or the other. no one is suggesting the races are meaningless. what is being suggested is that it's not the 'championships' it's billed as being. the name doesn't make it so. it's not a super bowl. taking the easy route and winning on bc day gives you a big check and a nice trophy. it should not automatically mean you also get a year end award. winning next saturday should not receive more weight than winning in gr 1's throughout the year, in other meaningful races. actually, doing away with the bc might not be such a bad idea...then voters for the eclipse awards would have to pay attention to more than one weekend a year.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by HomerS

You said I was lying when I said I am betting against her

Do you care to back that opinion up?

Ummm....no I didn't. Someone else might have, but I certainly did not. I'm not sure what got into you tonight, but your posts are bizarre to say the least.

Of course she'll win the HOY with a win. Will it be deserved? I can see both sides. The award is based on the year. Not the month of November. There are plenty of examples of horses winning the Classic and not winning HOY.