Brother Derek is a fraud... - Page 4

#61 09-03-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

I didn't mean you and joel I meant steve's frustration....

I don't think it is appropriate to bash horses for any reason because they are never the one's responsible for the hype surrounding them (brother Derek) nor are they responsible when they running out of their ability level (ex. Funny Cide)--Yup I groomed a buch of nags in addition to Henny...
But I also don't really think it's useful to bash a trainer when his horse throws a bad race--pre-race comments are not always true, but on the other hand a horse can fool his trainer too and then the trainer is left with egg on his face...
Last week a very famous trainer said to me...'I don't understand it I've got all the favorites and can't win a f*cking race' Obviously that is not going to be printed in the DRF....

LOL!!!
That trainer is certainly not the first guy to say something like that. And he won't be the last.
Steve knows DAMN well from our conversations off the board that there a few guys who I'm REALLY bashing!!!! Guys who make the guy I have bashed who is Steve's friend look like ****ing Ben or Jimmy jones!!!
I'm consistent in who I bash, perhaps you haven't read me long enough to know that. When I see guys who have a barn full of very expensive horses who consistently win very few or no races, they are gonna draw my wrath.
Ask Steve about our conversation about a certain guy named after a city in Texas.

alysheba4 · #62 09-03-2006, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Hes a fraud huh? Well then so is the author of this thread.
Especially since the author claims to be active in thoroughbred ownership and breeding.
Horses go through form cycles, and don't remain at the same level of talent throughout a year or a career. To insult a grade one winner as fraud is just ridiculous, especially when coming off a layoff.
Lemme ask you a couple of questions Joel if I might. Hope you will respond.
1) Since you obviously were of the strong opinion that this horse was a fraud, at 2-5 today, how much money did you make betting he race? certainly you must have made a bundle.
2) As a breeder of LA breds, I would think that you would appreciate a "lowly" cal bred winning grade one races and accomplishing as much as Bro derek has. Hes yet more proof that those who enter the business in a humble way can succeed.
So i guess my question is, what chance do you think that there is that you will breed or race a grade one winner in your ownership/breeder career?
My guess will be about 1 in 6000. Thats about the ratio of grade winners born in every crop(very rough guess). If you should ever breed or own a grade one winner, I will fly down there and shine your shoes for you. But lets just say I'm not gonna go out and buy any polish.
You really should know better Joel.

.........hey, i caught that 4/2 exacta

...... bout the only race i hit at that horrible del mar.

paisjpq · #63 09-03-2006, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!!
That trainer is certainly not the first guy to say something like that. And he won't be the last.
Steve knows DAMN well from our conversations off the board that there a few guys who I'm REALLY bashing!!!! Guys who make the guy I have bashed who is Steve's friend look like ****ing Ben or Jimmy jones!!!
I'm consistent in who I bash, perhaps you haven't read me long enough to know that. When I see guys who have a barn full of very expensive horses who consistently win very few or no races, they are gonna draw my wrath.
Ask Steve about our conversation about a certain guy named after a city in Texas.

that trainer is the same guy you are looking to send your new potential acquisition to BTW

#64 09-03-2006, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by alysheba4

.........hey, i caught that 4/2 exacta

...... bout the only race i hit at that horrible del mar.

You just stole my thunder you *****!! LOL!
I was about to end this with the punch line.
Yesterday at the Spa, I couldnt catch a break. Discouraged and about to walk out, I realized that the Bro Derek race was about to go off.
I liked the winner, and thought it was conceivable that Bro Derek could be out of the exacta. So I boxed up 2-4 and 4-5 for the same amount of money. And hoped that I could get the 4 home and have Derek not fire off the layoff.
I got lucky and he didn't.
The point is that i myself had no confidence in Bro yesterday at all. None. And I cashed by best ticket all day on that exacta (22 per buck was quite huge given that only 3 horses in a 5 horse field had any chance). But I'm not gonna be dumb enough to use that race he ran as an "end all and be all" of judging what he is, ane more importantly, what he was.

#65 09-03-2006, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

that trainer is the same guy you are looking to send your new potential acquisition to BTW

SHHHH, I already knew that(I know how he talks). And he's not my client. He's an often times partner's client. And hes also a perfectionist. If he won 10 of 11 races he'd bitch about the one he lost to anyone who would listen.
Thats what makes him so good, he hates losing and doesnt accept it well. And one of my clients wants that horse now badly, and it looks like thats where he will go if the accept the offer. Not another word about that on here please.

paisjpq · #66 09-03-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

SHHHH, I already knew that(I know how he talks). And he's not my client. He's an often times partner's client. And hes also a perfectionist. If he won 10 of 11 races he'd bitch about the one he lost to anyone who would listen.
Thats what makes him so good, he hates losing and doesnt accept it well. And one of my clients wants that horse now badly, and it looks like thats where he will go if the accept the offer. Not another word about that on here please.

he's pretty funny that way actually...focus on the bad only that way you never look happy...
good for you if you get it done.

#67 09-03-2006, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

he's pretty funny that way actually...focus on the bad only that way you never look happy...
good for you if you get it done.

My main man grabbed me yesterday(he actually graced us with his presence yesterday) and I told him about the horse and he just said go!
He also hates losing. hes like the guy you are referring to, hates losing, and gets sick to his stomach when he does.

paisjpq · #68 09-03-2006, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

My main man grabbed me yesterday(he actually graced us with his presence yesterday) and I told him about the horse and he just said go!
He also hates losing. hes like the guy you are referring to, hates losing, and gets sick to his stomach when he does.

main man? the one with no cell service?

Nostradamus · #69 09-03-2006, 10:52 AM

Oracle, you are very knowledgable, maybe more than anyone else here, but the personal attacks on Cunningham and his father are uncalled for. Saying a horse is a fraud (overrated) is not an attack. It is just saying the horse is not what people say he is. There are tons of horses like this. My brother has called Sunriver a fraud all year, and he likes the owners. That doesn't mean it is personal.

#70 09-03-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

main man? the one with no cell service?

No Beth, the guy who took me out earlier in the meet and got me alcohol poisoning for two days.

paisjpq · #71 09-03-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

No Beth, the guy who took me out earlier in the meet and got me alcohol poisoning for two days.

that was my second guess---

#72 09-03-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

Oracle, you are very knowledgable, maybe more than anyone else here, but the personal attacks on Cunningham and his father are uncalled for. Saying a horse is a fraud (overrated) is not an attack. It is just saying the horse is not what people say he is. There are tons of horses like this. My brother has called Sunriver a fraud all year, and he likes the owners. That doesn't mean it is personal.

Nor was my attack against Joel. And I'm not attacking his father in any way shape or form. he made what i felt was a moronic statement, I've treated my own friend Gander the same way on here. My attack was not personal, he did try to get personal then bashing a horse hes knows I bought. Are you that stupid Nostra to miss that?
read what others wrote on the thread, You act as if I was the only one picking on him. Others abused him as well. WHy not post something to them?

#73 09-03-2006, 10:59 AM

I dont understand how is he a fraud. How did he misrepresent himself? I dont get it. How can any horse be a fraud. He ran 4th in the BC Juvenile, 4the in the Derby and 4th in the Preakness. Then he has won those prep races in the spring. Again, it isnt Brother Derek's fault who he beat. He cannot help who his competition is. I dont remember Brother Derek coming out and saying he is the best. If he did then I missed it. I sometimes speak too soon and talk bad about a horse and that isnt right. But in Derek's case, he has been in all the big ones for over 1 year now. He has won some and loss some, but I dont know how you can say he or any horse is a fraud.

alysheba4 · #74 09-03-2006, 11:01 AM

yeah, oracle goes at gander HARD

Nostradamus · #75 09-03-2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Nor was my attack against Joel. And I'm not attacking his father in any way shape or form. he made what i felt was a moronic statement, I've treated my own friend Gander the same way on here. My attack was not personal, he did try to get personal then bashing a horse hes knows I bought. Are you that stupid Nostra to miss that?
read what others wrote on the thread, You act as if I was the only one picking on him. Others abused him as well. WHy not post something to them?

I am not that stupid, and I am very impressed by your purchase of a grade 1 horse, but you always bring up his money and his father's money. The sport is full of rich people. Is Landson IV going to get bashed because Lansdon III is loaded? Others bash him, sometimes I do, but never his families money. There would be no horse racing without rich people and their children.

#76 09-03-2006, 11:10 AM

I've called Lava Man a fraud and I regret doing so. A horse cannot be a fraud because they don't have the capacity to deceive someone out of money. I am retracting what I said and will now say that Lava Man is overrated and I apologize to all of the Lava Man fans who I offended.

Now Joel should do the same to JJ since the guy promoted Brother Derek and was extremely confident in him winning the Kentucky Derby and even touted him for the Preakness. In no way shape or form is JJ Graci a fraud and neither is Brother Derek.

Nostradamus · #77 09-03-2006, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I've called Lava Man a fraud and I regret doing so. A horse cannot be a fraud because they don't have the capacity to deceive someone out of money. I am retracting what I said and will now say that Lava Man is overrated and I apologize to all of the Lava Man fans who I offended.

Now Joel should do the same to JJ since the guy promoted Brother Derek and was extremely confident in him winning the Kentucky Derby and even touted him for the Preakness. In no way shape or form is JJ Graci a fraud and neither is Brother Derek.

JJ Graci went on the air and talked about Barbaro being dead. The guy has no credibility.

2Hot4TV · #78 09-03-2006, 11:27 AM

Brother Derek was the best horse that the West coast had going to the Kentucky Derby from a group that looked to be talented and improving. The group didn't improve and to compare this group to a horse (Bernardini) that sat on the side line during the run for the roses is simply not fair. Bother Derek will improve as he gets older and he will turn out to be another Precisionist racing on the West Coast and I wish his connections all the good luck.

#79 09-03-2006, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Brother Derek was the best horse that the West coast had going to the Kentucky Derby from a group that looked to be talented and improving. The group didn't improve and to compare this group to a horse (Bernardini) that sat on the side line during the run for the roses is simply not fair. Bother Derek will improve as he gets older and he will turn out to be another Precisionist racing on the West Coast and I wish his connections all the good luck.

I wish Brother Derek nothing but good luck; he is a game, talented horse. I do not agree with you about Bernardini; illness delayed his quest for the TC jewels. He ran a huge Preakness and he has been delivering ever since. He is a brilliant animal who is good for the game.

ironprospect · #80 09-03-2006, 12:19 PM

sorry that was suppose to be cheese

man that cali cow can kick a soccer ball
crank was outrageous