Occupy Wall Street

[slotdirt]

Dude, you make like 34 blanket statements, I ask for specifics, and I'm the one who's ten? Obfuscate much?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Dude, you make like 34 blanket statements, I ask for specifics, and I'm the one who's ten? Obfuscate much?

Yo DOOOODE, Partcipate in the REAL WORLD much?? You would be the only person I certainly ever run across who does not think that special interest groups own the country.. I expect only 1 response

"How do you know what I think?" "

[slotdirt]

Is it really too much to ask of someone who's arguing a certain point to provide evidence substantiating said point?

I know that saying "special interests run Washington" is a great talking point, but what special interest that is running Washington is causing particular harm to me, you, or the wall? The March of Dimes? AARP? NRA? I really don't think this is a particularly difficult question to answer of someone who seems to stridently believe what they're typing.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Is it really too much to ask of someone who's arguing a certain point to provide evidence substantiating said point?

I know that saying "special interests run Washington" is a great talking point, but what special interest that is running Washington is causing particular harm to me, you, or the wall? The March of Dimes? AARP? NRA? I really don't think this is a particularly difficult question to answer of someone who seems to stridently believe what they're typing.

So you think that special intrests don't run Washington? Tell me why?

Banking industry Lobbyists and Pharmaceutical Industry Lobbyists? Repeal of Glass Stegal Act was that good for the country? No lobbyists involved there, LOL. Allowing Hedge Funds to invest in the Futures markets... Yeah that helped things and I am sure no lobbyists involved there... And your retort will be to ask for the Bill number and sponser may I say please stop in advance. You could be betting horses today instead of wasting your time.

So if I take it raw dog in the rear everyday the rest of my life you'll give me a hoveround and a sony flat screen? Where do I sign?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

What were you looking to hire for?

Quite a few positions actually. We are expanding. Some white collar, some grey, some administrative and some blue. Even a few collarless (god forbid).

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

there's nothing wrong with working hard. they aren't protesting that. instead, people see wall street making money hand over fist, banks being 'bailed out' while paying millions in bonuses. ceo salaries thru the roof, etc, etc. how have the rich ever garnered so much sympathy? where is the sympathy for people looking for work that can't find it? people who pay into their 401k, only to see their retirement disappear? how many people can't retire because they can't afford it, which means no churn in employment?

The only problem with this is if banks are allowed to fail or go under how many millions of innocent, non-rich American people and businesses will be financially ruined?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Wow.

Their point is that our government is being bought by special interests and they are making rules that benefit those special interests at our expense. If you think that you are or ever will be part of this 1% then you are delusional. Additionally you and the Dino's of the world may not be directly affected NOW however this is like a cancer. As our economy spirals downwards you and your business will directly be affected. As jobs become scarce and DEFLATION takes hold everything you everyworked for will become worth less and less.

This has always been and will always be. Please enlighten me as to what country this isn't true?


Our economy isnt headed downward because of the amount of money rich people pay in taxes.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Quite a few positions actually. We are expanding. Some white collar, some grey, some administrative and some blue. Even a few collarless (god forbid).

where can I send my resume?

[clyde]

ecum spiri 220

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

where can I send my resume?

If you are serious and considering living in Denver let me know and I will PM you.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The only problem with this is if banks are allowed to fail or go under how many millions of innocent, non-rich American people and businesses will be financially ruined?

oh, i know that part would be bad...but it's hard for folks to understand how banks can pay out tons of money if they just needed a bail out. if the ceo's were doing such a good job, and earned that money, why did they come begging?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

oh, i know that part would be bad...but it's hard for folks to understand how banks can pay out tons of money if they just needed a bail out. if the ceo's were doing such a good job, and earned that money, why did they come begging?

While it may be annoying does it really have any effect on those people? I have no love for banks or bankers but what exactly is the plan here? Is it fair that banks can still hold our money for 2 weeks despite knowing almost instantly that a check is good? Of course not. Do I enjoy the endless fees like charging to take cash deposits or not having overdraft? hell no. But I would rather see these things addressed than worry about what the CEO of the bank is making. It isn't as though if he made less these fees and policies wouldnt still be in effect.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Whether or not I'm ever lucky enough to make that much money, I'll still never agree with the premise that rich people need to be taxed at a higher percentage simply because they're rich.

Small point ... that's not what they are saying, and we have a progressive, not regressive, tax system.

And: Warren Buffett released some of his income tax information today

Earned: $63 million last year
Paid less than $7 million in federal income tax.

Mr. Buffett's adjusted gross income was $62,855,038 in 2010, according to the letter, while his taxable income was $39,814,784. He said he paid $15,300 in payroll tax, and $6,923,494 in federal income tax. That made for an effective tax rate of 17.4%.

According to the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan group, the average tax rate for taxpayers in the middle quintile—those earning between $34,000 and $60,000 a year—is 12%, including payroll and income taxes. Those earning from $103,000 to $163,000--the top 80% to 90% of earners—pay 18.2%. Those earning from $163,000 to $211,000 pay 19.8%, and those earning from $211,000 to $533,000 pay 20.4%.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...875519978.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Quite a few positions actually. We are expanding. Some white collar, some grey, some administrative and some blue. Even a few collarless (god forbid).

What industry?

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by jms62

So you think that special intrests don't run Washington? Tell me why?

Banking industry Lobbyists and Pharmaceutical Industry Lobbyists? Repeal of Glass Stegal Act was that good for the country? No lobbyists involved there, LOL. Allowing Hedge Funds to invest in the Futures markets... Yeah that helped things and I am sure no lobbyists involved there... And your retort will be to ask for the Bill number and sponser may I say please stop in advance. You could be betting horses today instead of wasting your time.

Lobbyists write most of the legislation.

[Riot]

I find this surprising:

Public Policy Polling
http://dailykos.com/weeklypolling/2011/10/6
Occupy Wall Street most favored by income earners over $100,000

Q: Do you have a favorable, unfavorable, or neutral opinion of the Occupy Wall Street movement, or have you not heard of it?

Favorable: 35
Unfavorable: 31
Neutral: 19
Haven't heard of it: 14

Income - favorable - unfavorable
Less than $30,000: 35-27
$30,000 to $50,000: 35-28
$50,000 to $75,000: 34-40
$75,000 to $100,000: 33-35
Over $100,000: 44-31
Declined to Answer: 24-30

Reuters, too:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...79B6V120111012

Eighty-two percent of Americans have heard of the protest movement
38 percent feel favorably toward it
35 percent are undecided
24 percent are unfavorable.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Small point ... that's not what they are saying, and we have a progressive, not regressive, tax system.

And: Warren Buffett released some of his income tax information today



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...875519978.html

What were Mr. Buffet's claimed charitable deducttions? Under the current tax code he is able to write them off!

Damn charities and rich people who support them!

If Buffet was half a man he'd drop what he was doing and live in a tent on Wall Street.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

What were Mr. Buffet's claimed charitable deducttions? Under the current tax code he is able to write them off!

Damn charities and rich people who support them!

If Buffet was half a man he'd drop what he was doing and live in a tent on Wall Street.

Buffett never announced his charitable deductions, but it is calculated to be about 23 billion - yes billion - dollars to Gates Foundation. Buffett has always said that when he and his wife die, the vast majority of their money will go to Gates Foundation (rather than leave a huge estate to the kids).

Buffett is fully supportive of the OWS movement. Buffett released this information in an attempt to garner congressional support for increasing the tax revenue from the rich by decreasing the loopholes, etc. that allow the more wealthy to pay a far lesser rate than the less wealthy.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

While it may be annoying does it really have any effect on those people? I have no love for banks or bankers but what exactly is the plan here? Is it fair that banks can still hold our money for 2 weeks despite knowing almost instantly that a check is good? Of course not. Do I enjoy the endless fees like charging to take cash deposits or not having overdraft? hell no. But I would rather see these things addressed than worry about what the CEO of the bank is making. It isn't as though if he made less these fees and policies wouldnt still be in effect.

There has been a new Consumer Financial Protection Agency put in place by the Obama administration, over the screaming objections of the Republicans, who blocked the appointment of Elizabeth Warren as it's head months ago, and are currently actively blocking the appointment of the second choice. Rendering the agency virtually non-existent for almost a year.

So some in Washington are desperately trying to "address" exactly what you don't like and are complaining about - but the special interest lobbies in Washington are blocking it completely through the Republican party.

Hence, Occupy Wall Street exists: to take back Washington and our government from the large corporations and special interests owning our government process and manipulating it to their, not our, end. Haven't you had enough of that?

Call Mitch McConnell and tell him to stop blocking the implementation of the CFPA and the appointment of it's head. That is what Occupy Wall Street wants to happen. Get corporate ownership out of our government.

Occupy Wall Street has nothing to do with how much CEO's make. It has everything to do with investment banks crashing our economy, getting bailed out by us, never being investigated for their malfesence, then we stay in the recession while they go on to record profits and bonuses, because Washington is owned by those corporations, and they won't let Washington make any laws that will benefit us, and threaten their profit margin.