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Old 12-07-2011, 02:39 PM
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I'm just curious...why is it that you seem to jump in every Vic Stauffer thread on every forum and bash him?
I'm just curious....why is it that you seem to jump in every Vic Stauffer thread on every forum and defend him?
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:44 PM
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I dont think I have ever defended Vic but the above question is fair. Cardus is all over him. Even during my multiple bans I can still get on and read and it happens all the time.
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:47 PM
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That is an unbelievably mean thing to say.

I've wanted to stay off this thread, I appreciate certain people here and they know who they are.

I read this though... I am just stunned that you or anyone would respond like this to any person here.

I'm not lecturing you, judging you, I don't want to fight with you. I can't even explain why I find it embarrassing that anyone would say something like this.

I know you can be very witty... sometimes I wonder if you just get caught up in things.

This was a terrible thing to say. If no one else is going to point that out to you I will.

I hope no one is ever this mean to you or anyone you know, respect, like, love, etc. There is no reason for it. You've repeatedly made your point... I can't believe you would laugh at someone who is being so honest about being hurt.
Come on. I think you're a little caught up in things here and you know I respect your opinions whether I agree or not, so I'm not being shi.tty just for the hell of it.
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:47 PM
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It's possible, of course, that there is no agenda and that Osterman is calling it like he sees it.

Since it is not a flattering piece, why must there be some agenda, a friendship elsewhere, or a slow news week?

If it were a flattering piece and someone posted here that there must be some ulterior motive behind publishing it, that poster would get hammered.
To me it just seems like he making mountains out of molehills. So Vic said darn, let's kill him for showing some compassion to a horse that broke down.

Then to the comparison against Wrona (whom I have no issues with, he's a solid announcer).
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Wrona calls the tight photos with incredible accuracy and rarely with disclaimers. When he doesn’t take a stand (“oh, they’re out of stride on the line”), there’s a good chance it’s a dead-heat. Stauffer tries to call all the tight ones but there’s always an “I think” or
something else to cover his behind. Still, he blows some outright
Really this is one of the things he's picking on?

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Stauffer generally refers to riders by their first names or nicknames (“traveling well for Chantal”, or “Go Go” has so-and-so well placed). Wrona uses the last name and, as any journalism school graduate knows, that’s the way you’re supposed to do it.
I watch a lot of races from Hollywood, does Vic use first names sometimes, sure. But on many occasions he uses the last name too. Once again I don't see what the big deal is.


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The only knock ever heard on Wrona is his insistence on calling the finish of every horse in the field which tends to tick off some not interested in being told that their best bet of the day straggled home sixth
Oh, I guess Wrona has his faults too . As far as this and his quip about Wrona always being accurate, I guess it's a lot easier to do when you only have about 6 horses in each race. I know Hollywood doesn't always have full fields either, but it's nothing compared to Northern California.

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Trevor Denman may have lost a few steps over the decades but he remains a comfort to us all, even if his catch phrases are beginning to wear a little thin.
Really, says who? It seems like the majority of people whom I talk to and post around here aren't in love with Trevor. Did Mr. Osterman write a pointed article after Trevor missed Strett Sense in the 2006 BC? Or what about when he pleaded for Zenyatta to get up at the wire last year? Aren't those must bigger offenses than Vic saying Darn?

Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but if you are going to give a total rip job to a guy, you should at least have some valid arguments. To fabricate and exaggerate minor points to make your own agenda look valid is kind of lame.

I'm sure some sort of fluff piece would have gotten mixed reviews around here too. Some would have thought it was nice and others would have maybe mocked and taken a shot or two, especially if the fluff was exaggerated as much as the negatives were in this piece.
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:49 PM
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To me it just seems like he making mountains out of molehills. So Vic said darn, let's kill him for showing some compassion to a horse that broke down.

Then to the comparison against Wrona (whom I have no issues with, he's a solid announcer).

Really this is one of the things he's picking on?



I watch a lot of races from Hollywood, does Vic use first names sometimes, sure. But on many occasions he uses the last name too. Once again I don't see what the big deal is.



Oh, I guess Wrona has his faults too . As far as this and his quip about Wrona always being accurate, I guess it's a lot easier to do when you only have about 6 horses in each race. I know Hollywood doesn't always have full fields either, but it's nothing compared to Northern California.



Really, says who? It seems like the majority of people whom I talk to and post around here aren't in love with Trevor. Did Mr. Osterman write a pointed article after Trevor missed Strett Sense in the 2006 BC? Or what about when he pleaded for Zenyatta to get up at the wire last year? Aren't those must bigger offenses than Vic saying Darn?

Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but if you are going to give a total rip job to a guy, you should at least have some valid arguments. To fabricate and exaggerate minor points to make your own agenda look valid is kind of lame.

I'm sure some sort of fluff piece would have gotten mixed reviews around here too. Some would have thought it was nice and others would have maybe mocked and taken a shot or two, especially if the fluff was exaggerated as much as the negatives were in this piece.
Your wasting a lot of time right now, because he simply does not like Vic. Its been clear for a long time.
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:52 PM
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Come on. I think you're a little caught up in things here and you know I respect your opinions whether I agree or not, so I'm not being shi.tty just for the hell of it.
You do know I mean Cardus and not you, right?

Someone says they feel awful, cut to the core, moment of weakness and the response is this is "funny".

I always respect your opinion too. MIne is just different from yours.

It was very mean, in my opinion.
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Old 12-07-2011, 02:53 PM
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Your wasting a lot of time right now, because he simply does not like Vic. Its been clear for a long time.
That's fine if he doesn't like Vic. Same goes for the guy who wrote the article. My issue is that the writer goes public and gives no real basis for the rip job he gave Vic.
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:01 PM
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I dont think I have ever defended Vic but the above question is fair. Cardus is all over him. Even during my multiple bans I can still get on and read and it happens all the time.
Don't worry, by tomorrow everyone will have forgotten about this and you can make every thread on this board about you again.

Just be patient.
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:01 PM
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You do know I mean Cardus and not you, right?

Someone says they feel awful, cut to the core, moment of weakness and the response is this is "funny".

I always respect your opinion too. MIne is just different from yours.

It was very mean, in my opinion.
Its because they dont think Vic is being sincere. Whos knows how Vic really feels?
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:04 PM
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You do know I mean Cardus and not you, right?

Someone says they feel awful, cut to the core, moment of weakness and the response is this is "funny".

I always respect your opinion too. MIne is just different from yours.

It was very mean, in my opinion.
I'm just guessing, but I think the funny response was because he didn't buy the hurt to the core response. He was basically calling bulls.hit, not literally laughing at the thought of Vic being hurt.
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:08 PM
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I'm just curious....why is it that you seem to jump in every Vic Stauffer thread on every forum and defend him?
Every forum bwahaha. Are you going to let Cardus answer? It was a simple question.
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:10 PM
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Every forum bwahaha. Are you going to let Cardus answer? It was a simple question.
I asked you a simple question also. Take your time.
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:13 PM
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I asked you a simple question also. Take your time.
Because I think some people are taking unfair shots at him for no reason. Let Cardus answer and give a reason and maybe I will change my mind and agree with him. Or you can just keep jumping in and defending Cardus.
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:17 PM
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Because I think some people are taking unfair shots at him for no reason. Let Cardus answer and give a reason and maybe I will change my mind and agree with him. Or you can just keep jumping in and defending Cardus.

We've been doing this for like 2 years right? I don't think anyones mind is changing at this point.
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Old 12-07-2011, 03:20 PM
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This has to be the single most dumb non Clyde, non Zenyatta thread in the history of DT.

Eighty plus posts and counting???

My take? The Osterman dude, or whatever the fuk his name is, was being facetious, and everything else is much ado about nothing.
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Old 12-08-2011, 07:43 AM
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Old 12-08-2011, 07:50 AM
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I posted the article here and on other sites because his words made feel AWFUL. To get ripped like that cuts to the core justified or not. Racecalling is my professional life. I live and die with every call. I hoped sharing the column would cause people to say positive things which I needed at the time. Probably should have slept on it, cowboyed up and not reached out in a moment of weakness.
Toughen up pu.ssy.
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Old 12-08-2011, 08:06 AM
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"Every forum"? Tell me how many forums you follow me around?

Other than that, I owe you nothing, Chase.
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Old 12-08-2011, 08:32 AM
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Aren't the French and their servants the ones who are supposed to surrender?
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Old 12-08-2011, 11:58 AM
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