A Case of Why WI Voters Should Show ID

[Danzig]

you have to have a form of i.d. to register to vote. so why is requiring an i.d. to actually cast a ballot an issue?
if it's ok to get it at registration, why is it not ok when election time actually gets here?
how is it an infringement at the polls, but not when registering?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you have to have a form of i.d. to register to vote. so why is requiring an i.d. to actually cast a ballot an issue?
if it's ok to get it at registration, why is it not ok when election time actually gets here?
how is it an infringement at the polls, but not when registering?

In WI if you register prior to election day you need one of the following:

• A current and valid WI Driver License / ID Card
• Any other official identification card or license issued by a Wisconsin governmental body or unit
• An employee ID card with a photograph, but not a business card
• A real property tax bill or receipt for the current year or the year preceding the date of the election
• A residential lease (Does not count as proof of residence if elector submits form by mail)
• A picture ID or fee card from a university, college or technical college
• A utility bill for the period commencing not earlier than 90 days before the day registration is made
• A bank statement
• A paycheck

If you register on election day (which you can in WI) you need a PHOTO ID and proof of address to register

So you could actually register ahead of time without an ID (but not on election day).

This argument against photo ID is just plain dumb, but it will be shot down again today in WI by another liberal Dane County judge

[Danzig]

i know they passed a federal law, i think back in 02 that said you had to have i.d. to register. and of course it isn't necessarily photo i.d. in what you said above, but you must have something to show you are who you say you are.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by wiphan

The argument against voter ID is probably the worst argument I have seen. .

the people who are against gay marraige because of their own personal religious beliefs... that's my top for terrible arguments!

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

the people who are against gay marraige because of their own personal religious beliefs... that's my top for terrible arguments!

Yeah that one is ridiculous as well. If 2 human beings want to be married have at it. The only people that are really affected by that marriage are those 2 people....

[Danzig]

personally, i don't think anyone has a worse argument than those who still insist on having creationism taught in schools. but gay marriage is right up there- and both issues no doubt fought against by the same group.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

the people who are against gay marraige because of their own personal religious beliefs... that's my top for terrible arguments!

they're just trying to save you from hay-ell. but i'm already bound for that joint since i had my tubes tied. going to burn for all eternity because i dared to control the amount of kids i wanted to be responsible for. sigh. oh well.

[Antitrust32]

I'm fine with hell. Most of my friends will be there.

The concept of heaven and hell is so out there that it boggles my mind just thinking about it! But that's a whole nother conversation!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm fine with hell. Most of my friends will be there.

The concept of heaven and hell is so out there that it boggles my mind just thinking about it! But that's a whole nother conversation!

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm fine with hell. Most of my friends will be there.

Only my right wing friends will be there...gonna miss them...

[Danzig]

obama admin. blocks tx voter id law:

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-administ...161037385.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration on Monday blocked a new Texas law requiring voters to show photo identification before they can cast a ballot out of concerns it could harm some Hispanic voters who lack such identification.

The state law approved in May 2011 required voters to show government-issued photo identification, which could include a driver's license, a military identification card, a birth certificate with a photo, a current U.S. passport, or a concealed handgun permit.

[Danzig]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_America_Vote_Act


Voter identification

HAVA requires any voter who registered by mail and who has not previously voted in a federal election to show current and valid photo identification or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter. Voters who submitted any of these forms of identification during registration are exempt, as are voters entitled to vote by absentee ballot under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act.


voters have to show i.d. to register. so obviously all registered voters have id. so why is it so hard for them to produce said i.d. on election day??????

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

obama admin. blocks tx voter id law:

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-administ...161037385.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration on Monday blocked a new Texas law requiring voters to show photo identification before they can cast a ballot out of concerns it could harm some Hispanic voters who lack such identification.

The state law approved in May 2011 required voters to show government-issued photo identification, which could include a driver's license, a military identification card, a birth certificate with a photo, a current U.S. passport, or a concealed handgun permit.

For some reason that requirement tickles me....

[Riot]

Second Wisconsin Judge permanently blocks WI Voter ID law as unconstitutional:

Madison - A Dane County judge permanently enjoined the state's new voter ID law on Monday - the second judge in a week to block the requirement that voters show photo identification at the polls.

Monday's ruling by Dane County Judge Richard Niess goes further than the one issued by another judge last week because it permanently halts the law. Tuesday's order by Dane County Judge David Flanagan blocked the law for the April 3 presidential primary and local elections, but not beyond that.

The latest order may make it harder for the state to put the voter ID law into effect before the April 3 election because it would have to win two appeals in less than four weeks. Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen has asked for a stay of the earlier order, and he is expected to appeal it this week.

Whether Wisconsin's photo ID law will stand is widely considered to be decided by a higher court. There are four lawsuits pending against it - two in Dane County court and two in federal court in Milwaukee.

The rulings come just weeks before likely recall elections for four Republican state senators. Recall elections are also likely for Gov. Scott Walker and Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch, but they have not yet been ordered.

The decision came the same day the U.S. Department of Justice blocked Texas' voter ID law, which it said would disproportionately affect Hispanic voters because they are less likely to have appropriate identification.

More at http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...142307425.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

voters have to show i.d. to register. so obviously all registered voters have id. so why is it so hard for them to produce said i.d. on election day??????

The point not voters having ID, it is that the requirement to have a photo ID at the polls unfairly, against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Acts Law of 1965, impacts certain segments of the population; rather than all the population equally.

How many Americans denied their right to vote is too many? Answer: ONE

NASHVILLE, TN (WRCB) -- Former Congressman Lincoln Davis filed a class action lawsuit Monday in the United States District Court for the Middle District of Tennessee to challenge the actions taken by Tennessee state government officials to unlawfully purge voters from the state's voting rolls.

On March 6, Congressman Davis attempted to vote at the same precinct in Pall Mall, Tennessee where he has voted since 1995. Instead of casting his ballot, Congressman Davis was told that he could not vote because his name no longer appeared on the voter rolls. As a result, Congressman Davis was denied the right to vote, a right he has exercised in every election since 1964

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/17136837...-voting-rights

Retired US Marine Tim Thompson walked into his neighboring polling place on Super Tuesday, but once inside he faced exactly what he feared: even with a voter registration card — and a career serving his country — he wasn't allowed to vote.

Thompson, 55, had a feeling this would happen. In his home state of Tennessee, a Republican-majority legislature recently saw to it that a new law made it all the way to Governor Bill Haslam’s desk — where the state’s top politician extended his seal of approval to a controversial bill that has Thompson and others riled up. Under Tennessee's new Voter ID legislation, only certain, state-issued identification cards count inside polling centers on Election Day.

In the State of Tennessee, it takes a driver’s license, passport, government-issued ID or gun permit card to cast a vote. College students looking to are even denied that right by offering just identification from a state school. Instead it takes a gun license or other, often difficult to obtain identification card to give them that right.

http://rt.com/usa/news/vote-tennesse...n-veteran-073/

Dorothy Cooper is a 96-year-old black woman who lives in Chattanooga,Tennessee. She was recently denied a voter identification card because she didn’t have her marriage certificate available — the same card that’s required by the state to vote. This coming election may be the first one she misses in 50 years.

http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/...riage_lic.html

[Antitrust32]

so what your saying is that not all americans have equal access to getting an ID?

I never heard of an American turned away from getting some sort of photo ID in this day of age.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

the people who are against gay marraige because of their own personal religious beliefs... that's my top for terrible arguments!

I don't care that they are against it personally. They don't have to marry someone of the same sex . But I care like hell when they try and shove their prejudices on all of society through law.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

so what your saying is that not all americans have equal access to getting an ID?

I never heard of an American turned away from getting some sort of photo ID in this day of age.

so, they have access to id when they register, but not when they actually go to vote?



and i thank you for not quoting, greatly appreciated!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

so what your saying is that not all americans have equal access to getting an ID?

I never heard of an American turned away from getting some sort of photo ID in this day of age.

Read the story about the 96-year-old woman I posted. Many people over 50 have had birth and marriage records lost or unavailable.

[Riot]

Will one of the proponents of implementing voting photo ID's please list all the cases of voter fraud, in the past 40-50 years, where a photo ID at the poll would have prevented fraud?

We'll wait.

In other words: before making voting harder for everyone, at least show there is a problem.