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#61
10-06-2006, 01:39 PM
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Nobody likes Circular Quay more than I do.
He looks tons best tomorrow. That said, I will not bet him at any price because of the surface and I'll be looking later tonight for a modest bet-against-CQ wager in the race. If I don't find a nice "Poly-Lark" at a price, I'll pass. The thing is, if CQ loses without a VERY big excuse, I'm 100% certain it will be the poly. If he wins big, it's sort of inconclusive because, for all I know, the plastic moves him up. Personally, I'm hoping he loses in order to get a decent bet back number in the BCJ. As an aside, I have trademarked the term "Poly-Lark," ala Riley and "threepeat." 
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#62
10-06-2006, 01:49 PM
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which is why I dont see why this crap is considered "good" for racing. races over the surface are anomaly. you cant take much of anything from them. we have bred thoroughbreds for 100s of years to run on turf or dirt. not rubber and glue. Im watching KEE right now and it makes me want to puke. for the first time since I started watching horse racing, Im not playing the KEE fall meet. that totally sucks. Repent
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#63
10-06-2006, 02:02 PM
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I think Round pen said that the trainers were using no stick cooking spray to keep it from sticking to the horses legs and feet.
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#64
10-06-2006, 02:03 PM
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#65
10-06-2006, 02:05 PM
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I have never heard more bull from people that don't like the poly because it might be harder for them to handicap.
I expect the lies from Oracle, but everyone else surprises me. Poly is here for good. Will be at NY tracks before 2010. Get used to it.
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#66
10-06-2006, 02:16 PM
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Please cite the lies. Shoot you don't even have the guts to post alone or reveal who you are. You and a bunch of other losers share id's and cower like the little tinkerbells that you are.
Losers.
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#67
10-06-2006, 02:44 PM
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The Polytrack isnt getting stuck in the hooves of the horses. They have solved that non-issue.
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#69
10-06-2006, 06:54 PM
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I am sick to my stomach right now. I can't describe to you how upset I am at Leparoux for his ride on Gray Suitor in the 10th. His stranglehold cost me the pick 3.
I didn't have any luck with Pat Day and it looks like Lep has come along to take his place.
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#70
10-06-2006, 07:13 PM
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If they only have Poly then I'll bet the grass races I guess. F'ing Poly track. If they would've quit running the damn Nags that they run at Turfway they'd quit breaking them down. 5k Claimers running 15 to 20 times a year I wonder what will happen? Name some good horse flesh that brokedown at Turfway. crickets crickets churp chrup chrup........
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#71
10-06-2006, 09:39 PM
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how funny?!!!!!
thoroughbreds are made to race, some for speed, some for distance. don't think i've ever seen one bred to only race on grass, or dirt for that matter. they only breed them to win. really, if you want to bitch, why shouldn't all racing be done on grass? don't think i've ever seen three foot deep sand spread throughout the farm.
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#72
10-06-2006, 10:39 PM
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Here you go Oracle;
Futurity - Circular Quay is obviously the most accomplished and although Great Hunter certainly has been showing up on the big days (Horse Greeley is going to get a good look from me for the BC Juvie), I'm going to try to beat CQ just like everyone else, but I'm going with French Transition. Prior poly form aside, I love his works (on all surfaces mind you) and at this point he seems to be any sort of horse. Biancone has been very aggresive with him, which I take as a good sign. Giant Chieftan looked very promising on both of his turf starts (craziest move I've ever seen a horse make was his first race at the SPA) and he just recently broke his maiden in the slop of all things. Some picks on the rest of the card: Race 1 - Doctor Sam - lots of anticipated pace in here Good Ol Henry scares me....12 & 38 Beyers and then he gets a freak performance for him (on poly) after being vanned off? Race 3 - Student Council / Champ Safi - Small sample in today's card but stalkers seem to have the edge (Scipion will win to spite me) Race 6 - My Belonging / Ginger Punch Race 7 - Areyoutalkingtome - Most of the colts in here who have prior poly form didn't seem to change much from their dirt form & I think he has the edge
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#73
10-06-2006, 11:47 PM
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OK Guys CQ will be somewhere in the line of 4/5 or less. LEt me tell you a couple of reasons why I think CQ is a bet Against.
A. I have seen to many young horses over the years that have a tremendous turn of foot Sprinting only to not show that same turn of foot around 2 turns and CQ kind of reminds me of that type of horse. B. I am not as sold as some of you guys who think CQ has a pedigree that will stretch out. And heres why 1st off CQ is out of Circle of LIfe who made 10 Lifetime Starts with a record of 10---3-1-2 of those 10 starts 4 were made running a route of ground her record in those races were 4----0-0-2 and Sprinting COL had a record of 5----3-1-0. C. Obviously Circle of Life was a much better Sprinter than she was a route horse, even though she was by Belong to Me who's off spring tend to do better at longer distances. Just Because CQ is by Thunder Gulch alot of people will assume that a route of ground should be no problem. And if you want to dig a little deeper in CQ pedigree CQ dam Circle of Life is out of Concentric who as of today has had 6 foals to race with only 1 of them winning a race around 2 turns. I am not going to say that by looking at a certain horses pedigree that what I have stated here about CQ will hold up all the time I just think there are enough Negatives in his pedigree to take a stand against at 3/5. By the way all the info I gathered here on CQ came from the APR. If you are a serious handicapper a Copy of the APR is a must. Good Luck RP By the way Oracle the was me that said some thing about the Cooking Spray 
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#74
10-07-2006, 12:21 AM
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CQ is going to be tough but the inside post is a concern. So i'm going to play the race lightly and use him, Birdbirdistheword and Street Sense in a few exotics and maybe a pick 3.
Street Sense might get a win wager out of me if he's 9-1 or higher.
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#75
10-07-2006, 12:28 AM
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Of the last 7 stakes races run on the polytrack (Woodbine, Turfway & Keeneland) the lowest priced winner has paid $26.20 and the average winner has paid $43.40. This is getting to the polint where you have to toss all logic out the window when plyaing this stuff. I cant honestly see a reason to bet Quay tomorrow, but then again I dont see a reason to bet on this stuff.
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#76
10-07-2006, 12:44 AM
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They are using cooking spray - it works pretty well actually. I'm pretty sure they came up with the idea in the winter. Supposedly, they weren't gonna have to bathe the horses b/c the poly wasn't dirt, but it was sticking to them anyway. Necessity is the mother of invention. There is truth to the rumor of hoof problems. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say "foot" problems. Horses are carrying heat in their feet where they hadn't before poly. I heard an interesting theory that it's carpet burn. We all got a few of those in college. The more you think about the make-up of poly, the more the theory makes sense-after all-it has carpet fibers in it. I also think the carpet burn theory might explain some horses not taking to poly. It might be "burning" their feet. Might also help explain why training on the surface and racing on the surface are two entirely different things. Another thing in this general area, and Oracle or anyone who's talked to trainers could verify this, the trainers really don't know how to shoe the horses for this surface. In this area its all trial and error. Worst part is, you can't establish a trainer pattern because each horse is so different on the stuff, no one trainer has figured it out for each individual horse.
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#77
10-07-2006, 01:04 AM
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well, i'm a speed guy, here;s my order of rank:
Great Hunter Street Sense Circular Quay for all that's worth, considering they are 2YO's
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#78
10-07-2006, 09:40 AM
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CQ may be the best in here, but he's definitely a valid bet against today for several reasons.
one, who bets 2 to go back for 2.10? two, the surface is a huge question mark. back when turdstone ran on that sealed track, the announcers said he was so much classier, he should win regardless of the shape of the track. oops. three, we all know that two year olds can move up or down in a moments' notice. as for the 'capping angle....i don't dislike poly due to 'betability, i don't place enough bets to care about it. i'm not thrilled with thousands of horses being put on a foreign substance, completely out of their element, and now they're a bunch of guinea pigs. kickback issues? uhhhh...we'll see.. hoof problems? shoeing questions? i just wish so many tracks hadn't leaped on so quickly, before any real time has been spent studying this stuff and it's effects. hope for the horses' sake it turns out well.
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10-07-2006, 10:14 AM
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I think the best horse is Street Sense and think anything over 7-2 is stealing. Without going into a bunch of detail, he is coming to this race dead red and they have him to beat.
On poly.... in ten days most everyone will forget about it. As far as someone posting "breeding cappers being morons" they do not cash many tickets. BBB
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